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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:56 AM
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Can somebody please explain to me EXACTLY WHY Iowa & NH are so important?
There are 50 states... why are these two the most important to win?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:58 AM
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1. I can't.
Sorry.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:01 AM
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2. It is either age before beauty
or pearls before swine.




(to borrow from Dorothy Parker)
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:12 AM
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3. Because the Democratic Party made them so.
They get to go first this and every other primary. You'll still get to vote after all the candidates except one have dropped out. Some people say it's a good thing because it's not as much trouble as actually having an election.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:15 AM
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4. They kick it off. They're symbolically important. They give "momentum" to the winners
Lots of losers have 'won' them, though. Pat Buchanan, Gary Hart, John McCain in NH, Dick Gephardt, Tom Harkin (native son), Ed Muskie, in Iowa e.g. ... but 'winners' have won them as well.

NH results: http://rhodescook.com/analysis/presidential_primaries/nh/winners.html

IA results (scroll down): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus


I am glad I don't live in Iowa, because I take issue with the way Iowa does things--it really disenfranchises anyone who's out of state on business or who leaves for warmer climates for the winter months. At least in primary contests, you can get an absentee ballot. But if you aren't there to 'caucus'--well, you're screwed. Your 'vote' doesn't count. I realize there's a 'personal' aspect to it, but it wouldn't be my first choice for a system if I were establishing a methodology for choosing a candidate.

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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:29 PM
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21. Best answer n/t
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:18 AM
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5. The Blair Witch Project made a quarter of a billion dollars in an eye-blink, and it's unwatchable
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 03:20 AM by PurityOfEssence
It's the herd instinct: it's much bigger than most sentient beings would like to accept.

Timing is everything, and with the primaries crammed into a one-month period, there's really not much chance for building momentum or such quaint bits of nostalgia.

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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:25 AM
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6. Because in these two states voters really get to know the candidates.
It's a good test of which candidates have strength based on voters who really get to know them and follow the race closely.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:27 AM
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7. They're important because they're first. And they're first because they're important.
Why are they important? Because they're first. And they have to be first, because they're important.

Because they're first.

Because they're important.



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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:30 AM
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8. I see.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:40 AM
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9. simply their place at the front of the primary calendar
It provides momentum to win these states, everything begins to fall in line after them. Nominations tend to be wrapped up pretty fast. Now why are they so special that they get to be the first primaries? Not sure. But as for winning them being so important, it's all about their positioning. It's also why no candidates are going nuts or have been going nuts about campaigning in say the large states with huge delegations like California, New York or Texas for the last 4 years. Once those big state primaries come around Iowa and NH and then South Carolina have already decided the nomination.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:45 AM
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10. We need rotating, regional primaries. . .
Divide the nation into six geographic regions. Hold primaries on a rotating basis among the regions. This way, every region in the nation will vote first every 24 years, but vote in the first three primaries at least half the time. And no more would be dependent on the leanings and beliefs of a select group who have an inordinate influence on the process.

Hold a primary every two weeks, beginning in mid-March and going through mid-June. Because the primaries would be regional, travel, advertising, and organizational money would be concentrated in a specific area, keeping costs down. As an entire region would vote as a block, the candidates would need to address local issues, instead of national "platitudes" and useless generalizations. As an example, each candidate would have to address issues of water within the watershed of the primary, would have to focus on the type of jobs and industries prevalent in that land, would have to recognize the problems and concerns of the people in a select area and not hide behind meaningless mumblings.

Yeah, that's the way I'd do it, if I ran the circus.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:50 PM
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25. "rotating"
that is what I have always thought would be fair. I doubt it will ever happen, though. It's just too logical.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:47 AM
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11. You didn't seem to wonder about such things when she was ahead. nt
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:35 PM
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13. When she was ahead, you were supporting her
Poor Calguy, he wants to side with the winner, but he switched over to the wrong side with 7 weeks until caucasing.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:03 AM
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12. I don't know.... we hold the general election on just one day, don't know why
the primary has to be at different times. Doesn't make any sense & doesn't seem very fair. My ex-in-laws are all in Iowa & I cringe at the power they have ;)
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:36 PM
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14. Can you explain why a first impression with someone is so important?
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:38 PM
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15. Ask John Kerry.
They vaulted him from like third to the winner of the nomination. The winner will of Iowa and NH will carry his/her momentum and positive media coverage to a win.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:01 PM
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16. they must not matter anymore since Hillary is losing ground in both
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:31 PM
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27. I wasn't asking this as a partisan question
You must admit, the primary system is highly confusing.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:21 PM
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17. They are only as important as voters make them
If everyone would calm down and vote for the candidate of their choice Iowa and New Hampshire would just be first on the list.

Unfortunately the MSM and some of the voting public are like sheep or (lemmings) and see the prevailing candidate coming out of Iowa or New Hampshire and throw all reason to the wind.

It makes no sense to me.

+++++

Now, if you want to talk about vetting candidates or getting a smaller campaign into the spot-light that's a different story. Smaller states are less expensive to run in (and obviously have less people in them). It is easier to have one-on-one time with the candidates and let them hone their messages. Everything is less expensive and takes less time to get from place to place. Small states prepare candidates for the larger national venue.

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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:22 PM
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18. Because we are first!
:evilgrin:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:45 PM
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23. You are the ruler of all that is Iowan!
:party:
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:25 PM
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19. Because Iowa and NH say so. That's why.
No valid reason to their "importance".
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:34 PM
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22. The media says they're important
that's really why. If they were covered differently, I imagine any momentum they generated would change too.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:48 PM
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24. True, seasonedblue...
but the audience gives the MSM credence. I don't buy into the premise of voting for the "leading" candidate. I vote for the person I feel will do the best job and, of course, the one who's message resonates with me. But a lot of people want to "pick a winner" and will allow others to determine who that "winner" may be.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:51 PM
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26. I don't know why people go for the supposed winner
so early in the race. It annoys the hell out of me.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:34 PM
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28. maybe because
It encourages supporters of the leading candidate to go out and vote, and at the same time it makes the supporters of opponents feel hopeless, and not even bother.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:28 PM
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20. If Hillary wins Iowa, she will be the Democratic Presidential nominee.
If she barley wins Iowa, she has a great chance of being the Democratic Presidential nominee. If she loses Iowa by a large margin, then the Democratic Presidential nominee is up for grabs by any of the candidates.

NH may not be important, depending on what happens in Iowa.
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