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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:40 AM
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Everybody here claims to hate Fox news so much, but they're more than happy to use their tactics....
The title of this thread is a quote from DUer MonkeyFunk from a thread about John Edwards being late.

"...everybody here claims to hate Fox news so much, but they're more than happy to use their tactics when it suits their agenda."

MonkeyFunk, hate to post a quote from you without clearing it with you...but you got it correct.

How come so many DUers claim to hate Faux News, but you use their tactics?

Seriously....

I see more attacks on Democrats here than I would on FauxNews.

It gets old, and is sickening.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:44 AM
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1. Everyone here uses Faux Newz tactics Pot meet KEttle.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:00 AM
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11. No, not everybody does
I can't stand Edwards. But I have never once started a thread about some trivial thing he's done. In fact, I don't think I've ever started a thread about him, and I rarely participate in threads about him. and I have defended him in stupid threads that attack silly things, like being an hour late for an appearance.

But some people just LOVE to breathlessly report the latest non-story about the candidate they hate most.

It's childish, stupid, and unproductive.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:44 AM
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2. Kerry000, why does every single one of your posts reek of jealousy and bitterness?
You are the very last person on this forum who should EVER complain about anyone else being sickening. Every single one of the hundreds of flames you've been involved in have been initiated by you, so enough with the goody two-shoes advice for us.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:53 AM
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8. Mtnsnake, this reeks of neither jealousy nor bitterness.
Now please stop following me around thread to thread, thank you.

My OP brings up a legit point made by a Hillary supporter, if I'm correctly identifying MonkeyFunk.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:10 AM
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18. Besides blatantly and consistently breaking DU rules you also love to lie
You've got some nerve accusing anyone of following you around when you're the most guilty of doing that of any poster I've ever seen. How do you live with yourself lying so much?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:12 AM
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21. Breaking DU's rules? Talking about yourself, huh?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:14 AM
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24. Please elaborate what exactly is your point. nm
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:01 AM
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12. that post describes you
and Kerry2008 has not started flames.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:11 AM
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19. Am I supposed to know you or something?
Get lost
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:16 AM
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25. Ah, so you thought it was sort of a call out too,
I was told it wasn't. I don't agree with you about who it describes though.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:23 AM
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29. thank you. nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:19 AM
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26. Excuse me!!! Do you not see the flames started by this post. What was the goal of this post?
To make everyone on DU stop some behavior that is perceived by the poster. How did he expect people to respond? "Oh thank you so much for pointing this out. We all promise to be better in the future".

This was flame bait in at its best. The poster even tried to blame it on another poster.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:21 AM
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27. Flame bait? A plea to DUers to stop the RW attacks is flame bait?
Oh, ok.

Gotcha thanks. I'll just let DU continue to sling mud about Clinton, Obama and Edwards.

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:24 AM
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30. It's up to Skinner to decide the direction that DU takes,
and up to the mods to decide what constitutes inappropriate posting. If you posted this in a specific thread, you might have more of a point.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:25 AM
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32. Well I would love to talk to Skinner about the failures in DU in avoiding attacks on Dems.
That doesn't weaken my point. It's a fair one to make, even if you want to attack it.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:33 AM
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34. You accused "everyone" on DU of using Fox News tactics. nm
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:38 AM
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42. It's our forum
And we'll sling mud if we want to! :rofl:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:23 AM
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28. OP and the person he quoted agree with each other
he isn't calling out the person he quoted in order to start some argument with them. he is AGREEING with the person he quoted. and person he quoted has responded in this thread.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:24 AM
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31. Thanks. MonkeyFunk is a common sense person. And I enjoy their posts.
Why would I attack them for posting a quote I used to make a point?

LOL!!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:30 AM
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33. He stated that "everyone here" are "more than happy to use their (Fox News) tactics".
I don't believe everyone here uses Fox News tactics and I think to state such is asking for a fight. And if you read the responses, I guess that's what happened.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:35 AM
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36. Then he didn't have to quote him by name to state his point.
It's not a complicated issue for heaven's sake.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:41 AM
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37. Not sure why he quoted him. nm
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:45 AM
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38. It's also NOT that big of a deal. It doesn't change the point I was making.
Does it?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:39 AM
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I've noticed that the majority of Edwards supporters seem to
be extremely thin-skinned. They can't even accept their candidates own votes or words when you try to point out his problems/negatives to them.

I don't have a candidate - I happen to think most all of the candidates on both sides suck corporate ass - but it is interesting to view the tactics and flames thrown by each camps' supporters.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:39 AM
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45. I've noticed that the majority of Edwards supporters seem to
be extremely thin-skinned. They can't even accept their candidates own votes or words when you try to point out his problems/negatives to them.

I don't have a candidate - I happen to think most all of the candidates on both sides suck corporate ass - but it is interesting to view the tactics and flames thrown by each camps' supporters.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:10 AM
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47. You noticed that too huh?
I've found that you can back up your post with a dozen links, and you still get jumped on for critizing poor John.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 11:34 AM
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51. What does Edwards supporters have to do with the negative nature of DU?
I accept any and all criticism of my candidate. But when we're talking about Edwards hair cut, Hillary's cackle, and Obama yelling at old people...I venture to say the board has taken a turn for the worse. True or not true?

And oh, I'm not flaming. Only making a point.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:46 AM
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3. the 'tactics' are of a much greater age than the infantile FOX is.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:12 AM
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48. I agree, we are more mature in our attacks (n/t)
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:49 AM
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4. Kerry2008: Is He Supporting Republicans?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:49 AM
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5. I thought it was against the rules to call out another DUer.
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 12:50 AM by seasonedblue
It isn't much of an OP, just your opinion. How are you distinguishing attacks from legit criticism for example?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:51 AM
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7. I'm not calling out another DUer, just quoting them.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:51 AM
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6. lol
:popcorn:


dp
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:35 AM
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35. I second that. LOL nm
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:57 AM
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9. another whining thread
mom, they keep picking on my favorite candidate

whine
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:58 AM
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10. Has nothing to do with my favorite candidate. If anything I'm talking about the attacks on Hillary.
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 12:58 AM by Kerry2008
They take up a large part of the GDP section of DU.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:05 AM
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16. Then what is your beef?
That is basically what GDP is all about.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:07 AM
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17. Attacking Democrats? I don't think so...
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:12 AM
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20. I agree that some on here get over enthusiastic and may not be as polite and they should.
For example, we should refer to the Jr Senator from NY as Senator Clinton and not Hillary. Other candidates are not called by their first names so casually. And I agree that some posters "attack" other posters personally instead of sticking to issues. Price you pay for free speech i guess. But a lot of "attacks" as you call them are nothing more than disagreeing with issues. For example, if I were to point out that Sen Clinton voted for the BushCorp war, this is a fact and not an attack.

I am curious what your point was with this post? Were you trying to get everyone to be nicer? If so, I would tender, wrong approach.
Just sayin.

By the way, I am not a Sen Clinton supporter in case you thought that from the above response.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:40 AM
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43. We use Hillary to distinguish her from Bill
Bill is very much active in Hillary's campaign, so it's confusing when people just say "Clinton". The only reason it's not confusing when you call GHW Bush's son "Bush" is that GHW was so lacking in personality, that he's pretty much forgotten, LOL.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:53 AM
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46. I personally don't care if she is called Hillary. But I use Sen Clinton to
distinguish her from President Clinton. I guess if she should win she'd be Pres Clinton II. I only brought it up because the poster was going off on people here "using Faux News tactics". I don't agree with that observation and was pointing out that the poster, if so concerned about behavior on here, could have been more polite in the post. Once again I personally don't care because I think we should have thicker skins than that.

And I am concerned that I spent as much time on this post as I did. I need a life.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:13 AM
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22. No kidding
He even follows posters around all the time, goes into their threads whining about what they have to say, starts flames, and then wonders about it when payback happens.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:14 AM
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23. Karl Rove is that you?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:03 AM
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13. Seems to me your tactic is Faux like. You quote another then use the quote
to further your agenda. If you believe that DU has too many attacks on Democrats then just say so. Why quote someone else?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:04 AM
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15. The quote seems appropiate to use, and since when is it Faux like to quote someone?
Ummmm, yeah. It's not.

And plus, the poster who posted it just commented in this thread...so I doubt it's any problem with them.

Why make a big deal out of something that's not? Why not discuss the OP instead?

I think it deserves the boards attention.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:04 AM
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14. I've never used one RW talking point
in my criticisms of any of the candidates. My issues with them have NOTHING to do with any issues the RW might have.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:59 AM
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39. Ah, the irony of creating a fake issue and then arguing it...
And the fake issue being people using "fox news tactics"

Invent something outrageous.
Express outrage.
???
Profit!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:32 AM
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44. Exactly, irony. nm
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:25 AM
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40. It's called the PRIMARIES.
Grow up.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:47 AM
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41. Criticisms of policies, voting records and political associations are not Faux News tactics
Get over it.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 11:32 AM
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50. But criticism of haircut prices, cackles, and yelling at old ladies is.
And please stop trying to tell me what to do, thank you.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 12:46 AM
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52. I agree, and I don't see all that much of that sort of nonsense on DU
We are doing much better than the MSM on this front.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:13 AM
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49. I have noticed a tendency to use rw terms like "flip flop" etc.
I admit I'm guilty of it too. Maybe we've been beat down so much and it's done collective psychological damage which manifests itself in funny ways (i.e., recycling rw slurs and memes to use against our own).
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:55 AM
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53. Well, frankly, lots of Democrats suck.
If they didn't, we wouldn't need a site whose name -- Democratic Underground -- positions it as an insurrectionist force.

As for meanness allegedly being a Fox News tactic, well, my son, are you new at this politics thing? It's not because Fox is vicious or sneaky that one hates it. One hates Fox because it's right wing.

One hates right wing Democrats for the same reason.
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