Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

A Catholic Dilemma: Can They Root for Rudy?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 04:30 PM
Original message
A Catholic Dilemma: Can They Root for Rudy?
A Catholic Dilemma: Can They Root for Rudy?
By Lisa Miller and Jessica Ramirez
NEWSWEEK
Nov 17, 2007

Rudy Giuliani has a Catholic problem and it's not, strangely enough, that he was raised as a Roman Catholic, considered becoming a priest, then dumped his second of three wives on television and has been photographed in a dress. Rudy's Catholic problem is this: he is pro-choice, and 63 percent of white Catholics who go to mass weekly are not. This is a small activist group, yet they are determined, it seems, to see the former mayor fail. Before the Iowa straw poll in August, Fidelis—a Chicago-based conservative Catholic group—ran anti-Giuliani ads in Iowa pointing to the candidate's longstanding pro-choice record. A month earlier, the group's president, Joe Cella, stepped down to go work for Giuliani opponent Fred Thompson. Thomas Melady, former ambassador to the Vatican, recently announced that he'll support Mitt Romney. The bottom line: "In the primary election, Catholics cannot vote for Giuliani," says Fidelis treasurer Brian Burch.

Can these orthodox Catholics really sink Rudy? The prevailing wisdom is that a candidate needs a majority of Catholics to win the general election, but since they voted overwhelmingly for Kennedy in 1960, the question of what Catholics want in a politician has become murky. Today "Catholics are divided by income level, political affiliation, socioeconomic status," says R. Scott Appleby, a historian at Notre Dame. "There is still a Catholic vote, but it's getting harder and harder to identify." Since 1992, Catholics have shifted slightly to the right, according to the Pew Research Center, and 59 percent of traditional Catholics say that issues like abortion and same-sex marriage will be "very important" to their 2008 vote.

Now the U.S. Catholic bishops are raising their voices against Giuliani as well. Last week a number of activist bishops told NEWSWEEK they would deny Giuliani communion for his views on abortion—if, after counseling, he continued to hold them. Their rhetoric emphasized human rights and first principles: almost every bishop interviewed by NEWSWEEK called abortion an "intrinsic evil." "What if a candidate were right on all the issues except racial discrimination?" asked Denver's archbishop, the Most Rev. Charles Chaput. "Why isn't as important as that?" If Giuliani is the nominee, Chaput says, Catholics will have to choose between the lesser of two evils or stay home from the polls in protest.

The Giuliani camp has been making some effort to reach out to these orthodox Catholics (and, indeed, other conservatives) by stressing the mayor's war on porn and what he calls "sacrilegious" art in New York City. His most significant peace offering, though, has been his commitment to "strict constructionist" judges, which which has been interpreted to mean judges who will consider overturning Roe v. Wade. So far, the faithful aren't buying it. "That's your strategy? Give me a break," says Alexia Kelley, executive director of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good. "What are you going to do in the meantime to change the culture and the economics and all the contributing factors to abortion? Wait for one of the justices to die? That's pathetic." (Giuliani personally believes abortion is wrong but, from a policy standpoint, thinks the decision rests with the woman, says a spokesperson. He also supports adoption.) This level of outrage is powerful, but it may be reverberating in circles so small that Giuliani can ignore it. Among traditional white Catholics, 63 percent have a favorable view of the former mayor, compared with just 55 percent of white evangelicals—a sign, perhaps, that what Catholics like about Rudy has nothing to do with religion.

URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/71106

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 07:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. It would be really good if the Ghoool is nominated
because it would completely silence those uber conservative bishops and priests covertly saying a vote for a pro choice dem is a mortal sin.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 07:55 PM
Response to Original message
2. They will come up with some excuse
they always do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:13 PM
Response to Original message
3. The official position of Catholic Bishops--gives room
for a Catholic studying a menu of moral issues to form their
conscience and yes vote for Rudy.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. and also for a pro-choice Democrat n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 12:18 AM
Response to Original message
5. Rudy isn't even an ashes & palm Catholic.............
when is the last time you saw him in a church, with his whore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. When was the last time they showed any pictures of Bush at church?
It doesn't matter to those people, the are all to willing to make excuses for their own.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:52 AM
Response to Original message
7. The expression, "be true to thine own self" should make
many whether they be Catholic or Christian take a moment to see if for all these years they have been against anyone that was pro choice and never could bring themselves to vote for such a candidate. Well, we are only going to see just whom the sexist and racist are during this election season, but also just who are the hypocrites.

Ben David
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:44 AM
Response to Original message
8. If they voted for the divorcee Reagan, and the mass murderer Bush
They can certainly vote for the pro-rights Giuliani.

They are hypocrites, after all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 12:47 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC