Am I the only one who is disturbed that our "front runner" only ties Rudy?

The latest Rasmussen poll, which Hillary-bots love so much, has Hillary trailing Giuliano by 4%. If one wants to be fair about it, given the volatility of that particular poll, you have to say that at best Hillary ties Giuliani.

Both Rudy and Hillary are known commodities. And worse, Giuliani's weakness seems to come from Republicans who will never vote for Hillary under any circumstance.

On these boards and others, I keep hearing that our victory in November 08 is a certainty. Yet, our front runner, with nearly 100% name identification, can do no better than tie the Republican's front runner, whose inherent weakness comes from soft-Republican support.

Am I the only one who is troubled by this?

Is there a lot of whistling past the graveyard going on here?

After Iowa there could well be a different front-runner.

It surprises me how short some memories are around here. A Dean nomination was a foregone conclusion going into 2004 and look what happened. Anything can, and likely will happen.

The Party Machine that torpedoed Dean in 2004 is the same Party Machine that now supports Hillary.

There is legitimate cause for deep concern.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

since that necessitates a VERY close and dangerous race. Dems should seek a candidate who can rally the country, 55% being a rallying point. Edwards would have the best chance of that considering his populist views and moderate social status. Obama as PREZ nominee would polarize the GOP into their Southern Strategy revised for '08, leading to another very nasty election season, reducing turnout, and giving the GOP their best (only) shot at keeping the White House.

As long as candidates have to beg for money to run, corporations will run the elections, and corporations don't mind another Republican, and they wouldn't mind Sen. Clinton. It's all terrifying.

You might take a look at her bio.
If you want corporate, go with Edwards whose claim to be the
next Dean is hollow.
He voted for the war. He even voted for Bankruptcy reform that
is hurting the very people he claims to bleed for.

and that's the second Edwards jab I seen from you tonight - what's your point? :sarcasm:

She might be more left wing than she lets on, but she's hiding it very well. I don't think she'll be elected. I think her running will put another Republican in office because she's our weakest link in the Dem Party and this country isn't feminist enough for a woman president. In the event she were to be elected, she'll be a president that reflects her short record in the Congress.

It's no doubt higher in the other columns!

whatever reasons.. Nothing against Hillary, but she's got some tough competition and they're bound to take away from her at this point.

I don't think the Rep offerings lend themselves to such diversity among voters. They only have a couple of candidates who are palatable to them, whereas we have someone for everyone!

And like others have said -- this too, shall pass.

..Democrats can always manage to pluck defeat from the jaws of victory.

:rofl:

I don't get it. I really don't.

If she wins the nomination, and he wins, love her or hate her, make no mistake about it, she will eat him for lunch.

Rudy is currently running in a "vacuum", but he has more holes in his armor than a loaf of Swiss cheese.

Rudy is lower than a swamp rat.

He's heading for a big embarrassment.

Hillary is not popular at all among independents. She may be loved by Democrats, but she is widely disliked by independents and republicans. Like I wrote in the original post, Rudy manages to tie her now and he hasn't even consolidated his Republican support.

Let's say the race right now is 45% to 45% (roughly, for the sake of argument).

The 10% outstanding vote are among Republicans and independent conservatives WHO WILL NEVER SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON.

Which means conceivably, she could lose this election by 10%.

This is a comparison of apples and oranges--they are in different parties. Everybody seems to want to make of these primaries, a general election.

The gloves come off in the GE and the candidates really surface at that time. A womanizing cross dresser cannot possibly stand up to Hillary. Or Obama. Or maybe even Edwards. She will, as Nightrider states, "eat him for lunch."

to fight Ghoul with. Hillary is the candidate for grabbing the center against a Bush-esque Republican. She'd probably kick Thompson's ass in the general.

However, she is not the candidate to fight a social moderate like Rudy. The two of them will compete for the center, while the Clinton name will fire up the right wing to support the Giuliani no matter what. Against Rudy, I have to think that Obama would be a better choice.

Who's your candidate? Does he endorse your disgusting behavior?

steal it. That's what they're counting on, and, I suspect, the main reason Rove left. His job will be to work behind the scenes to assure a 2008 election theft.

even in my ultra-conservative location -- HATES the current administration, and yet we're to believe 50% of the population is rooting for another Repub???

Which I'm not so sure is a done deal.

I still think it will be Romney. Who, if she's the nominee, Senator Clinton will beat.

The two male top runners are looking like duds, and they are sliming Hillary into oblivion.

Through entry to the process at the convention, primary filing deadlines have passed in many states.

That's one of many reasons I cannot support Clinton -- she's not electable and she'd have the shortest coattails in history, given
her negatives everywhere but the Northeast and West Coast. The latest head-to-head matchups from SurveyUSA shows she can't
even beat McCain, while Obama leads all Republicans by a wide margin in the general election.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=2d211d2a-ee13-40ab-8455-5a70b9b55bfe

Try again, swift boater.

...vote for Giuliani ~ Biden is dead-on about him: a noun, a verb, 9-11 and NOTHING ELSE!

Dem candidate they are certain will win. And just about every time it ends in defeat in the general election. Given their track record I wonder where this arrogance comes from.

will really be the next president of this country.

:eyes:

it shows a statistical tie. There is no such thing as a LEAD when the DIFFERENCE is within the statistical error.

And, no, I'm not worried. This is just one poll, and the country has not really gotten to know Ghouli yet. When they do, he's going to lose a lot of soft support.

i agree whole heartedly. i've been telling DUers over and over that they're whistling past the grave yard.

Why isn't this setting off alarms at Democratic headquarters?

Sorry...!



That is simply not true. Rudy is NOT a "known commodity". It is quite clear that the more GOP voters get to know Rudy, the less they generally like him. Rudy's poll numbers are trending DOWN and his poll numbers will continue to trend down over the upcoming year, as his positions on abortion, gun control, gay rights, his infidelity, his crossdressing, his significant connection to the corrupt Bernard Kerik, become more and more well known.

Hell in 1972 Rudy voted for McGOVERN for president. How do you think that will play among the rank & file GOP voters???? Rudy's freaking hopeless, he's toast!!!! He doesn't have even the slightest chance of winning the primary OR a general election. IMO, Democrats probably have SIX potential nominees who would knock Rudy out in a general election (Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Richardson would all beat Rudy in a general election, IMHO)

If you're worried about Rudy then IMO you need to pay closer attention... his campaign is a joke.

They probably don't know if Rudy is a Democrat or a Republican.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/04/giuliani-poised-to-launch_n_71053.html

he's toast. Right now, pretty much everything's on name-recognition alone.

there are things about Giuliani that can be appealing to many, including independents. He is a strange one, difficult to peg and predict. I think he is beyond scary, but he is smart,quick on his feet, extremely aggressive (potentially in a very effectvie manner, it would depend a lot on who he may have to run against), conveys strength, and to many I guess even some kind of warped integrity, etc., etc.

The Republican attack machine hasn't even started up their engines yet. The Democrats will be at serious risk of losing the general election if Hillary is made the nominee.

MSM has anointed her as our front runner. I believe the country can do better.

However, I don't think Rudy is going to be doing so well in the General election after the NY firefighters rake his ass over the coals.:7

Just knowing there are still people in this country who would support the repuke party makes my head explode! They're ignorant! That's all there is to it. NO ONE in their right mind would be supporting that party...look at what they've done to our country. It's just insane.

democratic republic, we are in BIG trouble.

See my post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3753758