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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:31 PM
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I keep reading here that Ron Paul is a bigot, a racist, and a nutcase
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:32 PM by mtnsnake
In most cases, no one is giving examples of what makes him so.

Could the people who know what makes Ron Paul a racist and nutcase please elaborate for those like me who don't know very much about him, other than he's very much outspoken against Bush and the war? Thanks in advance.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:35 PM
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1. two words
White supremacy.

A few more words: no govt spending for social programs
or for people who are needy or under-represented.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:36 PM
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2. You cant judge a candidate by their supporters.
It really isnt fair.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:50 PM
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13. No, but when a candidate takes money from Stormfront,
I can judge them for it. He doesn't have to cash the check.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:41 PM
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19. oh. I wasnt aware of that. Thanks Bas. n/t
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:37 PM
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3. I'm not a Ron Paul fan but...
in fairness, his view of government is that it should be limited and financially responsible.

He does recognize that many people are dependent on government today, and that is unlikely to change.So he is not in favor of pulling the rug out from all social safety net.

So he would prefer to cut spending on military adventurism abroad, and then focus on balancing the budget in terms of domestic programs.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:07 PM
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18. One word. Google.
All Paul for President threads should be removed from Democratic Underground.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:51 PM
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22. Finally we agree on something, MethuenProgressive!
:)
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:40 PM
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4. My wife knows Ron Paul personally.
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:40 PM by theredpen
She was friends with one of Paul's daughters in high school.

He is not a racist. He does have many Libertarian views that lefties would (and should) opposed. As far as showing him respect anyway, as my wife puts it, "Which is worse, a Republican who says he wants to eliminate the Department of Education, or a Republican who says he wants to leave 'no child behind' and then destroys education?"
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:40 PM
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5. Sure, here are some of his finer racist statements
"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action,"


“Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,”

“we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.”

""We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

"What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn't that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?"

"By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government"

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1996_1343749
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stuartrida Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:45 PM
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9. I see why Kucinich would consider him for a running mate.
:sarcasm:
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:46 PM
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10. Hey, Elizabeth said he was a great truth-teller. I guess blacks really are criminals. nt
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stuartrida Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:54 PM
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16. And she said it so calmly and confidently. barf
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:45 PM
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21. Welll he is either racist, crazy or carzy & racist.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:42 PM
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6. As for nutcase? He has clearly and openly stated that he wishes
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:47 PM by Basileus Basileon
to end federal Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and welfare, and who wishes to close the Department of Energy, the Department of Education, the EPA, FEMA, the CIA, the FBI, the IRS, and the Federal Reserve.

He also believes "that the Bible is the infallible, inerrant word of God and thus it is not the role of God-ordained civil government, at any level, to feed, house, clothe or educate anybody." And he wants to teach creationism in schools.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:43 PM
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20. Your 4 lines should put him on every half sane voter's do not support list once and for all
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:43 PM
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7. sure. as far as being racist goes, he made a couple of remarks
about African-Americans that were out and out racist quite a few years ago. More recently- in fact presently- he's feeding xenophobia with his comments about illegal aliens from Mexico and SA. In addition, he's taken money from one of the leading white supremacists and refused to return it. The guy he took money from is the owner of Stormfront.

Wanting to amend the constitution to declare that life begins at conception is pretty nutty. I can't imagine anyone here would disagree. He also is against corporate regulation, opposed to OSHA and the EPA.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:43 PM
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8. Here is one from his website.....
"The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094.

I am also the prime sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn."

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

Taking away the right of choice. Women must be too ignorant to decide
what to do with their own body. If that is the truth than every woman
in the US needs a handler.
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stuartrida Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:52 PM
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15. I wonder if Paul's anti-choice stance is what entices Kucinich to join forces with him?
Kucinich was a loyal anti-choicer up until he started running for president.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:46 PM
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11. I did not call him names, but I posted a lot about him.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:50 PM
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12. Some info...characterization of him as racist and weird are true
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:51 PM by SaveElmer
Advocates for withdrawl from NATO and the U.N.

Opposes NAFTA and the WTO on the grounds that it regulates trade TOO much...

Opposes birthright citizenship

Has pledged to NEVER raise taxes, advocates doing away with the federal income tax...

Advocates for funding the federal government using excise taxes and tarriffs...

Advocates abolishing most federal agencies...

Advocates abolishing the Federal Reserve...

Advocates abolishing all forms of welfare...

Opposes all forms of Gun Control...

Pro-Life...advocates the overturning of Roe v. Wade...

Favors allowing workers to opt-out of Social Security

Advocates jury nullification...

As to his racial views...here is an op-ed he wrote in relation to the race riots in L.A. follwoing the Rodney King beating


Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.

Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.

Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting booth. The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That's what blacks got on the streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn't ask their Congressmen to arrange the transfer.



He is attractive to some on the left because he opposes an interventionist foreign policy, the war on drugs, and would make definition of marriage a state matter...

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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:51 PM
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14. Hey, I forgot about "opposes birthright citizenship." That's funny, because
it's in the Constitution.

Ron Paul: Strictly in favor of the Constitution, except for when it defends minority rights.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:03 PM
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17. RP is a genuine nutcase...
In addition to all his foibles listed above, he wants 'that old time religion' in all schools, most public schools abolished in favor of home schooling, the mandated immunizstions for the common childhood diseases: Polio, tetnus, typhoid, diptheria, whooping cough and the like to be eliminated. This from a doctor. Must have gone to a Texas school to get this sort of background.

Those childhood immunizations have kept generations alive since they first became available in the late 30s/early 40s.

His support not only comes from the skinhead types of stormtrooper, but also from the megachurches in his part of Texas.

Someone mentioned L. LaRouche...yeah, RP is in the same mold.

RP is a Liberty Libertarian Fundie who wishes to impose HIS brand of insanity on the rest of us.
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