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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:03 AM
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Why would supposed Democrat Kucinich consider Race baiter Ron Paul for VP?
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 11:03 AM by SaveElmer

"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together "to balance the energies in this country," Kucinich said.


http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=11517

Some info on Pauls views on race...


Newsletter by Paul attacked

Associated Press


San Antonio Express-News English

(Copyright 1996)

A 1992 newsletter by Republican congressional candidate Ron Paul highlighted portrayals of blacks as criminally inclined and lacking sense about top political issues.

Reporting on gang crime in Los Angeles, Paul commented: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."




Here is an op-ed by Paul on the Race riots in LA after the Rodney Ling verdict...for reference


Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.

Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.

Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics. The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting booth. The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That's what blacks got on the streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn't ask their Congressmen to arrange the transfer.


http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.african.american/msg/c8668bd3662b0fa5
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:04 AM
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1. because he is full of crap. nt.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:05 AM
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2. That oped by paul
shows exactly what a creep he is. But honestly, I just think Dennis is trying to pick up votes from the rich vein of NH indies and libertarians there.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:05 AM
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3. He's looking for headlines, perhaps? It got him some coverage, after all.
I'm sure that kind of talk is making THIS opponent happy: http://www.rosemarypalmerforcongress.com/
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:06 AM
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4. Exactly how many flamebait threads do we need on this subject?
Geezus..... :eyes:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:19 AM
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8. How is this flaime bait....?
FACT: Dennis Kucinich said explicitly he would consider Ron Paul as VP...

FACT: Ron Paul is a race baiter...

ergo...not flame bait...
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:27 AM
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15. Har! Best reply EVER.
:thumbsup:
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:10 AM
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5. why pay any attention at all to this blatant distraction?
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 11:11 AM by lynnertic
This is just as scandalous as the affair HRC had with her assistant or that Obama inhaled. To be clear, all are non-issues.

If this is the only dirt they can dig up on Kucinich (who is winning some serious attention finally) then we're all in good shape.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:15 AM
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6. you seem to conflate facts with myths.
let me straighten you out on this: Obama made a comment that he did drugs in hs: fact. Kucinich made a comment about ron paul being his running mate: fact. Hillary Clinton is having a lesbian affair with her assistant: completely unsubtantiated rumor.

Now how much weight you want to put on FACTUAL information, is a personal decision. But no one should put any weight on a scurrilous and unsubstantiated rumor.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:26 AM
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13. Who someone would consider putting a heart beat from the Presidency is not merely a distraction
If Joe Lieberman's views had been better understood at the time, would you have considered it a distraction, during the primary battle between Gore and Bradley, to discuss Gore being willing to consider Lieberman as his running mate had he tipped us off to that in advance before primary voting had begun?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:18 AM
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7. Kucinich and Paul have been the ONLY ones fighting the status quo
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 11:19 AM by ixion
every other candidate is pro status quo, hence largely worthless, and certainly not for the restoration of our republic.

It seems very bi-partisan, IMO.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:22 AM
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10. yes indeed that ron paul fighting the status quo on legal abortion
and fighting for lower taxes on business, and fighting for the right to pollute. He's a real champ.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:24 AM
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11. he's against the Iraq war, and against the unPATRIOTic Act, etc
and right now those issues trump all else, IMO.

I'm not saying he's perfect, no candidate is, however calling Kucinich a 'supposed' dem is bogus.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:27 AM
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16. calling dennis a supposed dem is bullshit
but my rights are not. And they don't come in second to other issues. ron paul wants to make me a second class citizen and he's a fundy racist. It's not Ok just because he's against the war and the Patriot Act. Not at all.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:50 AM
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19. well, we agree on two things:
calling Kucinich a 'supposed' dem is bogus and you are NOT a second class citizen.

I whole-heartedly agree. When people are being killed in my name and with my money, though, that is something that simply must stop immediately. Kucinich and Paul (for all his other faults) are the only ones who are speaking seriously about doing this.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:20 AM
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9. Great post, Elmer.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:25 AM
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12. Perhaps none of that is relevant to him
As long as Paul is anti-war, I don't think Kucinich necessarily cares about Ron Paul's other positions.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:26 AM
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14. The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
It's that kind of thinking that got us into bed with brutal dictators all in the name of fighting communism...

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:40 AM
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17. And you would be one of the first to remind us that DK doesn't have a chance.
Kucinich is playing the politics game. He is getting headlines and drawing the Paul-nut-crowd to take a look at his policies. Many Paul supporters would actually be Kucinich supporters if better informed. Kucinich is there to hold the other candidates to a higher standard and inject truth into the discussion.

Kucinich has an added obstacle that the *front-runners* don't have. He has to circumvent the media suppression and get attention in creative ways.

Any ticket with Kucinich and Paul is an impossibility. Paul's camp said it. It is ridiculous.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:47 AM
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18. So then we shouldn't take Kucinich at his word?
I thought he was the "truth teller" in this race
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:56 AM
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21. Take him at his word.
Or not. It's up to you. I do. I understand playing to a larger crowd. He said he would consider it, big deal. He's an open-minded individual, I am sure he considers a lot of things.

He may have considered the idea of a ticket running on the platform of defending the Constitution, but I can assure you a Kucinich/Paul ticket would never happen.

DK is a truth-teller. He likes Paul, as a person. He likes his active defense of the Constitution, and opposition to the war. He won't talk bad about a friend, and if dropping his name gets Kucinich more support, he's playing the game.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:55 AM
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20. Wait til you hear it from Kucinich before believing it
The source for this news is unreliable and is a paid shill for the GoP.
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stuartrida Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:05 PM
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22. I am surprised so many Kucinich supports think Elizabeth was lying about it.
I don't see why she would.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:05 PM
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24. To sat "consider" when turning down an idea is the polite way to do it
When I read garbage like this and so many people falling for it I wonder how many really do live in the real world.

Employers use this when turning down applicants for a job. It's condidered a non confrontational way of saying NO.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:55 PM
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23. Does the Cleveland Plain Dealer have it out for Dennis?
Are they owned by the same greedy moneypervert bankers who bankrupted Cleveland, blacklisted Dennis, then ran him out of town on a rail for opposing their takeover of MUNY? Anyone know much about S.I. Newhouse, Sr., apart from the fact that he owns the Plain Dealer and his son was the subject of the movie "Born Rich?" He's hard to find info on other than wiki...

Sabrina Eaton and Stephen Koff - write for the blog PD ONLY. They continually shilled for Ney, shilled for Blackwell, Voinovich, DeWine, etc.

http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/openers/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_openers/archives/2006_09.html

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Plain_Dealer

"The Plain Dealer has been criticized by liberal columnists for staking out generally conservative positions on its editorial page, despite the heavy Democratic tilt of its Northeast Ohio readership. In 2004, most notoriously, the publisher decided to endorse no candidate rather than endorse John Kerry as the editorial board had recommended."

References to The Plain Dealer in popular culture
-The paper was parodied as the Sto Plains Dealer in Going Postal by Terry Pratchett.
-Janet uses The Plain Dealer to cover her head in the rain in The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
-Santa reads about himself in the Plain Dealer in the Christmas special The Year Without a Santa Claus.
-In The Mad Scientists' Club children's story "The Strange Sea Monster of Strawberry Lake," the young heroes -confide in a reporter for The Plain Dealer in revealing that they are behind the fake sea monster.
-The title of the humor publication of the University of Chicago, The Chicago Shady Dealer, is a parodied -title of The Plain Dealer

The paper has also been accused of being too soft on Sen. George Voinovich, and in the 2004 election cycle for the U.S. Senate, not providing fair coverage, if any, to Voinovich's opponent, State Sen. Eric Fingerhut, a Democrat.


George ("I like fat cats") Voinovich ran against Kucinich for Mayor of Cleveland and won.


Interesting stuff, for sure. I wish i could find out more on Newhouse, especially financial interests...

A lot of what I just wrote is deflection, of a sort, but it's pretty tough to believe that these writers and this paper have Kucinich's best interests at heart...and just because they write something does not guarantee its veracity.


I hope it is goddamn lie...


Go, Dennis, GO!!!






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