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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:30 PM
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Obama buying endorsements?


Obama PAC Is Active In Key Election States
N.H., S.C. Lawmakers Receive Funds

By John Solomon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 26, 2007;


When Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) launched his presidential campaign in January, he stopped raising money for his Hopefund, the political action committee he used to raise millions for fellow Democrats in previous campaigns. But in recent months, Obama has handed out more than $180,000 from the nearly dormant PAC to local Democratic groups and candidates in the key early-voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, campaign reports show.

Some of the recipients of Hopefund's largess are state and local politicians who have recently endorsed Obama's presidential bid. Obama's PAC reported giving a $1,000 contribution, for instance, to New Hampshire state Sen. Jacalyn Cilley on July 25, six days before she announced she was endorsing Obama for president.

Likewise, state Rep. J. Todd Rutherford, a lawmaker from South Carolina, received a $1,000 contribution from Obama's PAC on Sept. 24, a few months after he endorsed Obama.

...

Obama spokesman Joshua Earnest said there was no connection between the PAC's giving and Obama's presidential aspirations. "Senator Obama long has been doing whatever he can to help elect fellow Democrats all across the country," Earnest said.

Fundraising vehicles known as leadership PACs, which can raise money in much larger chunks than candidates can for their own campaigns, have been a frequent target for criticism by watchdog groups. They argue that leadership PACs allow candidates to skirt campaign contribution and donation limits.

Scott Thomas, a Democrat and a former FEC chairman, said "there's probably no doubt" the PAC donations were aimed at increasing support for Obama's presidential race. "But in my experience, the commission has not had the stomach to reach out and characterize those kinds of contributions as impermissible," Thomas said.

Kent Cooper, the FEC's retired chief of public disclosure, said the commission, if it chose, could declare that Obama's presidential campaign and PAC were "affiliated," meaning some activities involving the PAC could be declared in-kind contributions to the presidential campaign that would exceed current donation limits.

"At this stage of the race, for a presidential candidate, it is a brazen effort to use every avenue to influence an election," Cooper said."I can't believe the Obama people can keep a straight face and claim these aren't part of the presidential race."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501454.html

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:32 PM
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1. Well he got his property for next to nothing.
I guess he might as well use the extra money to buy some people. Seems to be a theme with him.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:46 PM
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5. That's over the top.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:51 PM
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8. So much for your pledge.
:thumbsdown:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:35 PM
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2. umm.. I do not like the perception this leaves!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:36 PM
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3. I'm sorry to hear that. I had higher expectations for him than that
Oh well
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:45 PM
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4. Hillary's $10,000 a month consultant
God you guys are pathetic.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:49 PM
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6. This is not uncommon
Did Hillary "buy" every candidate she gave money to through the years? In a way she did.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:50 PM
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7. Please...let's debate money and campaigns...
Let it be so. There's so much in the ClintonFiles to work with...
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:55 PM
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9. I agree, you two camps go at it all you want.
:evilgrin:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:29 AM
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19. Let's start with asking, who paid off Vilsack's campaign contributions?
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 03:36 PM
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10. John Solomon? JOHN SOLOMON?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 06:36 PM
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13. Solomon was deemed credible enough around here to attack Hillary...
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 06:36 PM by SaveElmer
So why not Obama?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:12 AM
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16. Well...
You can laugh all you want, but this was all over the news last night...he was not the only one covering it. I suspect we'll hear more about it in the coming days.

They've all done it, but not to the degree of Obama.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 03:40 PM
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11. LOL
the stench of desperation
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 03:43 PM
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12. you can track the assault de jour on the "hub"
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 03:47 PM by AtomicKitten
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 06:36 PM
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14. This meme reeks of Hillary's flop sweat.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 09:47 AM
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15. Awfully weak, Elmer
This is a matter for campaign finance reform, in my opinion, and yet another reason for fully public financing of campaigns. As is Clinton's $100,000 contract to Darryl Jackson in South Carolina and her payment of Vilsack's campaign debt. As is the entire bundling system, which is nothing more than a cover for getting around FEC regulations on industry PACs; a loophole in the law which all of our candidates are happy enough to take advantage of. A Democratic PAC making donations to Democratic candidates, duly reported to the FEC, which does not prohibit such donations, is probably last on the list of offenses that we should be concerned about. It would be something if the money were spent on media buys for the Obama campaign or air fare for campaign staff, which would be breaking the rules, but it wasn't.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 02:36 PM
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22. But Obama is the one who is campaigning against the system
He is the one who is making campaign finance reform a large part of his campaign. He is the one who is making "New Politics" and open govt a large part of his campaign.

Not Hillary
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 04:28 PM
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24. Where is the violation? There isn't one.
Not all of the recipients endorsed Obama, so where is the quid pro quo? In fact, some of them endorsed Clinton herself. Very many of the candidates were not from the early primary states. Hillary pumped money into the early primary states for a couple of years, as had other potential candidates.

The FEC has never addressed the issue of leadership PAC donations leading into or during a presidential primary race. The FEC has not addressed consulting contracts to endorsers or payment of campaign debt of endorsers, either. They should, in my opinion.

If Obama had been violating FEC regs and Clinton came out with it, if there were substance to this smear, I would have no objection and he would have to take his lumps. But this is a cheap shot out of the Clinton campaign, and that's all it is. Holding Obama responsible for the failures of the present system and behaving as if there is some future system his campaign should be operating under now, while everybody else is born free, is bunk. I said in a few threads I thought she had to start hitting back, but if this is what they've got, frankly, I am relieved.

I am ever hopeful about campaign finance reform. Do I expect it to take place in the middle of an election? Not really.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 04:45 PM
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26. Not the point...
Getting money from lobbyists is not a violation either...yet that seems to be a main line of attack against Hillary...

Obama complains about insider politicians gaming the system to gain an unfair advantage...hence his criticisms of Hillary accepting contributions from lobbyists...which I find disingenuous given the massive loopholes in Obama's own policy (accepting money from wives and lawyers of lobbyists, and from state lobbyists...and that he has hired former lobbyists for his campaign)

Obama is violating his promise not to practice this kind of politics...I'm not claiming Obama is doing anything illegal...I am calling him on his hypocrisy on this issue...
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:15 PM
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28. Calling a politician out on hypocrisy
Well, okay, then, you might as well call them out on breathing. Obama is not gaming the system is the point I am making. The system does not prohibit leadership PAC donations during an election campaign. No more than the system prohibits campaign donations from lobbyists, I agree. I think you may know, at least I've said so many times, I find any candidate who claims credit for not taking money from lobbyists or PACS, but who takes money from industry bundlers, disingenuous, so you won't get an argument from me on that score, either. But the title of your thread asks the question, Is Obama Buying Endorsements? Your answer, since you don't claim a rule violation, has to be No.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:24 PM
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31. Wrong again
Obama's campaign is based on the idea that he is pushing for a "New Politics". Too bad he practices the Same Old Politics.

And your last argument makes no sense. Just because it is legal to "buy" these endorsements, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:52 PM
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32. A main purpose of a leadership PAC is to support other candidates
Since it is within the law to make such donations and it is the mission, whether or not there is an endorsement, there is no question of "buying" endorsements, unless you can come up with proof that they were bought, which you haven't. You just say so. You just smear.

Besides:

Among the local officials who received $1,000 from Obama's Hopefund PAC were New Hampshire state senators Harold Janeway, Jackie Cilley and Martha Fuller Clark. All have endorsed Obama.

The PAC also contributed $1,000 each to Sens. Iris Estabrook, Kathleen Sgambati and Lou D'Allesandro, all of whom later endorsed Hillary Rodham Clinton. The PAC gave $6,000 to Gov. John Lynch's campaign war chest; Lynch has not endorsed in the presidential contest.

Ten county Democratic committees in New Hampshire received $1,000 each from Obama's PAC and the state Democratic Party received $5,000. The Iowa Senate Majority fund and the Iowa House Truman Fund, political groups that assist local legislative candidates, received $30,000 each from the PAC. Their New Hampshire counterparts received $15,000 each.

The Hopefund also contributed to 62 Democratic senators, congressmen and federal candidates across the country in contributions ranging from $2,500 to $5,000. Among the recipients were Democratic Reps. Carol Shea-Porter and Paul Hodes of New Hampshire, who received $4,000 each, and U.S. Senate candidate Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, $5,000.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7081378,00.html



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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:22 PM
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30. Obama holds others up to a higher standard than he applies to himself
He criticizes Hillary for things which are not violations, but when he does something unethical, the response is "Where's the violation?"

Where's the violation when Hillary takes money from the health care lobby? Answer - there was no violation

Obama must think that he can criticize whatever he wants but that he can only be criticized when he breaks the law. And he wants people to believe that he's going to be a reformer
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:19 AM
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17. He should have had Norman Hsu buy them like Hillary did. n/t
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:27 AM
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18. So this is the improvement on American politics that Obama was going to usher in?
:eyes:
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:58 AM
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21. That's what I'm saying....n/t
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 02:38 PM
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23. Obama's New Politics looks a lot like the Old Politics he claims to dislike
and all his supporters can do is say it's nothing unusual. Same old, same old.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:33 AM
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20. I like you post but wonder
If any of our candidates are getting republican money?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 04:33 PM
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25. As opposed to the lobbyists buying Hillary?
Got desperation?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 04:46 PM
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27. I don't see one word of yours defending Obama
Maybe because there is no defense for the way he has to buy endorsements
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:18 PM
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29. Where is your proof?
Where is the quid pro quo? Leadership PAC donation > endorsement? Where is it?
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:56 AM
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33. kicked for cali
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