Whats up with the increase in Obama bashing

Just something I have noticed lately.

Obama one week, then Edwards, then Hillary, etc.

:shrug:

It's that too.

I don't bash candidates. I might be critical, but not bash.

I mean in GD:P the candidate bashing is akin to the cyclical nature of GD with smoking, circumcision, breast feeding, etc. Hopefully, once the nominee is announced, all this will settle down.

just a thought.

Hillary bashing is on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Please refer to the syllabus and do try and keep up with the class schedule.

Hard to keep track...

Reason enough to keep bashing him for years, or until he apologizes to the GLBT commumity.

No progressively minded person should support him until he does. Only Homophobes can support him until then.

or, even worse, they've given him a pass on it.

(Here come the "get over it" posts.)

The people for whom it is a deal breaker being a statistically insignificant portion of the general population.

You support homophobia, and us GLBT'ers should just shut the fuck up about our civil rights, and wait for straights to grant us some crumbs.


Well fuck that.

Good job of creating a straw man though.

It is very clear that supporting Obama = supporting Homophobia and anti-gay hate speech.

pro-LGBT rights President in the history of the United States is clearly supporting homphobia.

I'm sure the Clintons wouldn't throw LGBT people under the bus again. I mean, three or four times is enough, right?

how many more times does he have to do that before his supporters call "bullshit"?

I guess you agree with Bush's black-and-white worldview, eh? I suggest trolling elsewhere.

signed,

a "statistically insignificant" part of the population. Also know as gays and lesbians to non homophobes.

in the United States.

feel the same way if informed of the situation.

Look at DU. There are very few gay or lesbian Obama supporters left here. As well as straight people who are pissed off because of what he did.

Don't underestimate this. Iowa is not NY, CA and FL.

in San Francisco while he was there.

Look, I'm not begrudging anyone for being hurt and pissed about McClurkin. It was NOT his campaign's finest hour--it may have been its worst.

But, statements like "if you support Obama, you're not progressive and you support homophobia" are silly hyperbole and nothing but fodder for flamewars.

I must have missed that one.

I don't think it's wise to give short shrift to this. I know three people in my office IRL (two straight women, one gay man) who all abandoned Obama over this one.

"No progressively minded person should support him until he does. Only Homophobes can support him until then."

Yes, he lost some people over this. But not in huge or even measurable quantities, according to every opinion poll available.

Oddly enough, for people who are members of a progressive website.

That kind of statistically insignificant?

Why don't you take a break from apologizing for homophobe-panderers and go learn some math.

I was not referring to all LGBT people.

LGBT people nationwide aren't represented by LGBT DU'ers anymore than straight Americans are represented by straigh DU'ers.

GLBT people outside of DU are more informed about this than you think, even, surprisingly, those who aren't politics hounds.

than straight Americans are by straight DUers. The vast majority of gay Americans are democrats, or did you not know that?

Obviously, the LGBT people at DU are not representative of LGBT people in the real world.

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since the whole McClurkin fiasco? Regardless of whether he deserved to lose support, the data shows that he in fact did not lose support, but rather has picked up support since mid-October.

The fact is that this isn't talked about anywhere now except DU and a few other blogs.

of gays at large in the US.

So, I'm correct in assuming that you don't have a poll to reference how gays and lesbians felt about the McCLurkin situation and Obama?

who decided to vote against Obama because of McClurkin is too small to register in any polling of the general populace.

Obviously, if the DU LGBT folks were representative of LGBT folks everywhere, there would be large protests surrounding his campaign headquarters in various cities.

many people may have just quietly dropped him from consideration. And gay folks make up a large percentage of the Dem vote in states like CA, FL and NY, all of whom vote on Feb. 5.

know the part about how you belittle gays as being insignificant. Meaningless. Not as important because they're a minority.

Or are you going to stick with your homophobic wording?

Cuz if you stick with it, then it sounds like maybe you and McClurkin, and Obama for the matter, can all go on tour together, albeit, an insignificant one. :eyes:


on edit,,,typo

Honestly, did you spend even a few seconds thinking before you posted?

The "It's CULTURAL" posts.

I don't buy that, either.

I have to say I was very disappointed by that McClurkin business. At first I was disbelieving--I really thought it was just a campaign mistake, and he'd dump the guy, and all would be well. But when he tried to split the difference (Let me snuggle up to the hater while hating his hate) I realized he was just attempting to have it both ways.

It really turned me off to his campaign. I've got gay cousins--they aren't "less than."

And you can't say that at DU.

DU'ers tend to bash anyone who has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the White House.

Before McClurkin and the teaming up with Bob Novack to attack Clinton, he was the DU Untouchable.

I thought he was pretty slimy when he was sinking in the polls.

Just saying there's probably more connection than less connection.

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and I mean it.

and I can only speak for myself - of course I will vote for him in the general.

But I expect him to continue betraying me and my family. I would only vote for him because I expect he'll appoint better judges than any Repug.

Hold my nose and vote for him.

my family is "evil" crosses the line for me.

Touting Tom Coburn, the biggest homophobe in the senate, as a "good" man who he can work with damages my family. Anyone who gives props to the likes of Tom Coburn and James Inhofe indirectly attacks my family.

Additionally, there are millions of gay teens out there who have been greatly damaged by the McCLurkins of the world and their ilk. Obama does not seem to even remotely get that.

Obama's vile homophobia is less vile than the alternative. So Obama >>> Any Rethug.

But, I am doing my damnedest to make sure that Obama is NOT the nominee.


I really would prefer that he apologize, admit his mistake, and do something concrete - like introduce legislation that matches his supposedly "pro-gay" stances.

I'm not wild about his having the gay-hating minister onboard or the faith-based policy approach, but he'll still be leagues better than any right-winger.

looking so good!

And it appears some people really don't like that.

That said, I understand why the GLBT folks are mad at him. I can't say I'm happy about the Donnie McClurkin thing either.

Actually, I have the same question about the Kucinich bashing, which all seems to come from a questionable quote in a known anti-Kucinich newspaper. Or more specifically, not even the paper itself, but a blog site affiliated with it.

The only reason I could guess for that escalation would be a "check in thread" from yesterday which would indicate that Dennis is far more popular than some would like to believe. And for the good of this nation, I certainly hope that proves true.

but there sure is a lot of Hillary bashing.

The one candidate I've seen bashed ad nauseam from the left (she's Bush-light), from the right (she's a Marxist, a communist AND a fascist) is Hillary. She's still standing after braving the sniping of her fellow Democrats and the vile coming from the Repugs. In the unlikely event that Obama actually wins the nomination, then he'll really find out what bashing is all about!!! Wait until the Republican machine get their claws in his tender flanks!

Obama gets bashed around here every time he opens his mouth. Hillary too.

Maybe you don't see the Obama bashing because Hillary is the candidate your supporting, so you see more bashing of Hillary. I see an equal amount of bashing of both candidates.

That's just the way it is around here during primary season.

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Obama is bashed whenever he says something religious due to the anti-religious crowd on DU.

Clinton is bashed ad nauseum regardless.

Obama is a candidate and this is what happens to individuals who enter the race for president.

They get smashed, bashed, tubed and stomped all in the name of the campaign.

Amazing that a prolific basher would be questioning bashing.

You ask why people are bashing Obama and you get the usual halfwits joining in the usual circle jerk.

If anything, the thread gives me a chance of updating my Ignore list. For that, I'm grateful.

Thanks!

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Talk about a halfwit!

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Including yourself...lol

The Clintonistas are getting desperate.

Ugly white men who claim to be Texans.

If it is, you're way off.

That sounds about right.

desperation, be thy name!

:shrug:

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And in other polls.

Hence, the hounds have been unleashed.

someone with less support?

DU has been letting posters vent their seething hatred of Hillary with vile, snide and dishonest remarks all year and we serious Dems just let it slide, like adults letting nasty children throw a year-long tantrum. I just had enough.

Now, I'm probably not going to call Michelle Obama a "lying bitch" or a "cold-hearted whore", or Barack a "disgusting two-faced weasel" or an "evil backstabbing warmonger" or any of the other charming remarks that Obama's more venal supporters put on DU thousands of times a day.

Though I might. What I will certainly do though is stop letting his and his supporters crap slide. He's a weak, pandering, inexperienced and untrustworthy candidate who can't do much more than deliver an occasional good speech. It was obvious that he needed to grow up some from the start. I think after seeing him in action, that he needs to grow up alot.

As to Obama's supporters, they've been dishing it for a year. I'm guessing they're not going to like it as more Hillary supporters stop turning the other cheek. The bigger the bully, the bigger the baby. If Obama got even one-tenth the vitriol that Hillary gets, they'd be whining nonstop.

Many supporters of our "alleged" frontronner are very nice posters, but some are among the most vicious and venomous I have ever seen on DU.I have never seen that level of venom from the followers of Obama.I am sure that some Obama fans have been less than flattering to the "alleged"front runner but I have not yet seen any rise to the level of invective of some of the Hillary supporters.But that is JMHO.

of any of the camps.

But that's just my opinion.

outrage over McClurkin?

If so... Doctor heal thyself!:eyes:

But I do agree, Obama has had his share of "serious questions" the last few days.

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