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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:34 AM
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Poll question: A pledge to Obama, Biden, Dodd, Richardson, and Kucinich supporters.
I'm an Edwards supporter that is concerned about Hillary winning the nomination. Not because of her policies, but because of her electability. I think the Democrats will have zero chance of winning the WH if she is nominated.

So here is what I'm proposing. If Hillary wins Iowa, the supporters of the other candidates vote or support the second place candidate. Obviously, if the second and third place candidates are close in Iowa then support who you want; but if not, I think joining forces will be the only way to defeat her.

So today I'm making a pledge to do just that. Is anyone else with me?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:35 AM
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1. Check back with me when Dennis drops out.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:37 AM
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2. How bout I check back when Romney is the next President?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:41 AM
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5. You think Edwards will beat Romney but Hillary won't?
Sorry, but there's more to this than just sticking a D in the White House.

I'm in Florida, so my vote won't count anyway.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:43 AM
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9. In case you are THAT new..It is against DU Rules to work to defeat the Dem Nominee..
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 10:45 AM by Tellurian
It might be a good idea for "YOU" and yours to read the DU Rules in their entirety!

and if you disagree with the Rules, you need to go to Free Republic and sign up!

DUH!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:34 AM
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24. Where did I state I want to defeat the Democratic nominee?
If Hillary wins the nomination I would vote for her hoping she could win. I just think our best chance is with another candidate.

Maybe "YOU" should read the OP in it's entirety before writing something so stupid.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 02:52 PM
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31. Try looking at the Poll results..
The majority is "NOT" with you! duh!
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:39 AM
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28. There won't be a Democratic Nominee until August 28, 2008
Nor should there be. This business of fixing a primary by March needs to end.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:42 AM
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6. Hope of hopes that he doesn't!
I was wearing my Kucinich 2008 button at a meeting last night and two of the most Catholic right wing teachers came up to me and said that they didn't know much about Kucinich but were concerned about the trouble our country is in. Gave them the button with the website on it so that they could read for themselves. I think most people that realize our Constitution has been hijacked will take a serious look at Kucinich. We just have to wake up the sheeple. Peace, Kim
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:53 AM
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13. Yep. Like the last round in 04
I'm behind Dennis until he says it's over.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:39 AM
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3. No nt
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:41 AM
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4. Let the primaries do their job. Let the voters make the decision. nt
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:42 AM
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7. Sexism
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 10:45 AM by Onlooker
The fear that a woman can't win has permeated politics for a long time. There are always excuses. The common excuse among Democrats is that she can't win, that somehow she has less of a shot than the overserious, Kerry-like Obama or the man-who-couldn't-even-win-his-own-state-for-Kerry Edwards. No matter who is the nominee, it's going to be a tough race. Edwards will be labeled as a greedy ambulance chaser; Obama will be marked for his inexperience and his middle name "Hussein"; Hillary for her insincerity and god knows what else. But, it's terrible to see Democrats and liberals exploiting each candidate's weaknesses as a means of pushing their own. I'm supporting Kucinich, but will have no trouble supporting any of the Democrats later on, and the more I see sexism raise its ugly head, the more I'm tempted to support Hillary. She has as much chance of winning as anyone. She has her strengths, and she has her weaknesses.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:35 AM
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25. Huh? My reason for her not winning the GE is her name, not her sex.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:43 AM
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8. That's just silly
As an Iowan, I am already sick of hearing how we in Iowa force our choices on the rest of the country.. so vote for who represents YOU, not who Iowans vote for. That's just silliness.

Not to mention, that as an Edwards supporter, you very well know that Edwards has been campaigning in Iowa for what, 4-5 years now? He will obviously do well, most likely 1st-2nd. Pretty freakin convenient pledge you worked up there.

How bout we give real Democracy a chance instead!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:45 AM
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10. What Do You Give His Chances Of Coming In First?
DSB
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:07 AM
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21. It really all depends...
The key to being successful in Iowa is getting bodies to the caucus.. and the key to that is getting your supporters energized at JUST the right time. You don't want to get everyone all riled up early and then have their support fade, but you don't want to peak too late either.

We're getting down to crunch time, and there are a few candidates that really seem to be making good moves, the ones that are bringing out the big guns late in the game (Obama with Oprah), the ones that are sending extra staff in (Clinton), and the ones that seem to be rising out of nowhere ala Kerry 04 (Biden).

It just so happens these are the 3 candidates I am considering supporting, so perhaps I am biased.

Anyway, back to Edwards. I give him a good shot at 1st - maybe even 60-70% shot at first - due to his long-time supporters and due to his previous supporters with Caucus experience.

I don't think you can dismiss Clinton, regardless of what people say, because she has a lot of support among the electeds and among the "establishment", supporters that also know how to win at the caucus, and supporters that bring with them plenty of bodies. I think she'll finish very well, but she definitely doesn't HAVE to. I think Edwards does.

Obama has lots of new support, and lots of positive name recog with the younger set, but that doesn't necessarily translate to caucus success.. new dems, and previously non-partisan supporters like the ones he is bringing won't do any good unless they show up to caucus. Obama's focus then for the next month HAS to be getting people to attend the caucus. I think Oprah would be a very good person to help him do this... she definitely has a knack for informing the public.

So yeah, I don't know. That's my take on how it sits today anyway!
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ilovesunshine Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:47 AM
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11. Who needs the right wing when the DU will defeat our hypothetical nominee.
Woohoo!!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:53 AM
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12. I'm so sick of this electability crap.
Support your candidate. Stop worrying about electability. If Clinton wins the nomination, work to get her elected. This is just absurd.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:54 AM
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14. I am other
as it would appear this is a blatant attempt to undermine better candidates in favor of edwards. I am a Biden fan because he is what America NEEDS. I am in it for the long haul. only if and when he Gives up the chase, will i consider another. hillary and edwards excluded. then and only then will I support my current #2 thats Obama.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:55 AM
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15. Delegates are pledged when a candidate drops out.
They'll be some attrition after Super Tuesday, but those votes won't be wasted.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:58 AM
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16. Just who in the hell is saying HRC cannot win the
general election? I doubt serious it was some du'er that woke up one morning back in February and said HRC cannot win. No, this is the raison d'etre of the right to keep repeating it over and over to get non thinking dems to begin repeating it over and over.

First it was HRC's high negatives. Well now in many polls HRC favorables got over the 50% mark and her unfavorable ratings dropped below the 40% mark. Many in here could not accept it and kept on repeating over and over, she cannot win.....she will split the party.....Well all i can say is...

so if the front-runner splits the party, we should nominate someone with less support?

Oh, so now you wanna team up the edwards and obama supporters so one of them can win? Now that is not a true victory is it? You got to fix the game to win? wow...

Ben David
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:59 AM
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17. dawgs, of course.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:36 AM
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26. Me and every other Democratic I've talked too.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:47 AM
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29. in your limited circle of acquaintances
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:01 AM
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18. No thanks.
I'm really indifferent about Hillary, but if it is clear that she is who the majority of primary voters want, then I will not work to derail her nomination. And if she does win the nomination, I will work like hell to get her elected.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:03 AM
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19. I'd prefer Edwards to Hillary, but I'm voting for Kucinich.
I live in a caucus state,(not Iowa) and that's my intention at the caucus. I know I'll be in good company in my precinct.

Edwards will have my vote in November 2008, if he is the nominee. But I hope he's not, and Dennis is.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:04 AM
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20. Vote your conscience.
n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:08 AM
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22. The only candidate you need to be concerned about as far as being unelectable is John Edwards
None of the other top 4 candidates...Clinton, Biden, or Obama...will have any trouble beating the Republican contender. Edwards would be the last candidate that mainstream America or swing voters would ever go for. For the voters who don't like Clinton, they'll opt for Obama instead of Edwards because Obama is likable and Edwards isn't. So why on earth would any Obama supporters even NEED to "join forces" with Edwards? Obama is doing just fine on his own, thank you.

How pathetic that a poster would suggest that other candidate's supporters "join forces" to beat another, not that you're the only one to suggest such a thing by any means.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:15 AM
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23. Extremely pathetic. nm
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 12:23 PM
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30. It really is. Only here would someone suggest Dem candidates' supporters join forces to beat another
I will give the OPer some credit, though. At least he was forthcoming and straight about his idea and posted it in the open, as opposed to running around emailing everyone to do so.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:38 AM
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27. Well, like I said earlier. I would prefer any Democrat over Romney, Rudy, or Huck.
And that most certainly includes Hillary.
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