Hillary -- shakes head "no" while saying yes to supporting the Democratic candidate in 2008

Watch the video at the bottom of this Raw Story piece. Very close to the end of the video Katie Couric asks Hillary about what she will do if she is not the Democratic candidate and does not win the Democratic nomination. Hillary says that she will be the candidate AND THEN -- states that she will of course, support the Democratic candidate. Only catch is, she does not nod her head up and down as she usually does when affirming something, rather SHE SHAKES HER HEAD FROM SIDE TO SIDE AS SHE DOES WHEN MOTIONING NO.

Body language experts say this is a sign of conflict or of lying. Look for yourself.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Clinton_Hardly_day_goes_by_when_1127.html

silly you.

hate makes people stupid.

For example, when you label any criticism as hatred just because you don't agree with it.

but as you are someone notably infected by hate, you wouldn't be able to distinguish between meaningful criticism and absurd nitpicking.

If you want to have a reasoned discussion, maybe you should start by providing reasoned responses. I don't really agree with the OP's premise, nor to I care that much about it.

But if it really bothered me, I would at least do the rest of the readers the courtesy of providing a thoughtful response. If you can't do that, perhaps it's best to say nothing.

So blinded by hate. So .. so blinded! And ... hateful!

I'm not a big one for hating.... anyone, but Bush has done things that are hateful. Don't you agree that starting an illegal war, lying us into war, abbrogating our civil rights, corrupting the Justice Dept and using torture, are hateful acts?

Quote "jgraz" - when you label any criticism as hatred just because you don't agree with it

This Is from some one that has gone nuts on me because I have posted "factual" negative Info about Apple that he did not agree with.

:rofl:

Not that I care, but if you're going to post bullshit accusations, at least have the stones to include a link.

:rofl:

Not that it was that difficult....you did most of the work for us.

Since you're apparently still crying over that thread, I might as well post it so we all can enjoy the ass-kicking you took.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1611802#1612138


Edit: I especially like the part where LeftCoast references yet ANOTHER thread where you were taken to school by Lithos. It adds a nice recursive quality to our conversation, don't you think?

Are you really that clueless?

You made an ass out of yourself on that thread, and you think I'm the Idiot.

And I don't expect to see LeftCoast In any Apple thread anytime soon, his most recent encounters with me were very embarrassing for him

:evilgrin:

That's OK, I'm already bored with you. Again.

You posted the link I was referring to.

:)

:hi:

It seems that you can not embarrass a Apple cult member.

:evilgrin:

Making someone other than yourself look like the idiot for a change?

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Ok, we can go back to making you look like an idiot now. Oh wait, you already did that for me. :rofl:

OK, lil' Lirwin, here's how it works:

You post a clear straight line @ 12:42

I make the obvious response @ 12:44

Meanwhile, you shit yourself and go back and edit to make yourself look (slightly) less idiotic. Your edit also lands @ 12:44.

I bust you on it @ 12:46.


Now do you need someone to explain how 42 is less than 44?

Is this gonna turn into another hour long flame-war, with you inevitably slinking away? I'm having "THE AUDIENCE WAS LAUGHING AT HILLARY" flashbacks.

I'm going to experiment with putting you on ignore. I'm trying to restrict my interactions to people who are within an order of magnitude of my own intellectual level.

I am not the Idiot here.

Did you notice how jgraz was first to call me an Idiot when I pointed out his hypocrisy, that's very common with the Apple people here on DU.

The Cult Of Apple
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9gdx_LIAc

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he percieves others to be dumber than he is. It only happens once in a lifetime.

I am well aware of how excited these Apple people can get here on DU, I've got dozen's of threads saved on my harddrive to show for It.

I'm actually glad that both jgraz and Leftcoast decided to slink away when they did, I had to go tow a car from Sanger back to the shop here In Fresno, and I thought I was going to miss more of jgraz's childish attacks.


Hi jgraz :hi: we both know you don't have me on Ignore, you have to much respect for me to do that.

Thanks for the new material boys.
http://thecultofapple.blogspot.com

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Otherwise you would have been misleading people.

As in, we're all so "happy" to have an "honest" "intellectual" like Nomad around to "educate" all of us with his "facts". :rofl:

:)

You really do make this to easy for me.

http://thecultofapple.blogspot.com

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Seriously, dude, it's not even fun anymore. I really think your parents should be monitoring your internet use more closely.

You resort to personal attacks ... Is that all you have, childish attacks?

You need to grow up young man.

:evilgrin:

nice to see we still have some standards at DU.

or something.

:wtf:

Just sayin, we've got better things to spend cycles on.

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comment on the "alleged" front runner unless it is idolatry?

she is, what they want her to be, that they cannot see the glaring faults in her personality and her candidacy. And, yes, politics is about people. It's about the personal flaws. So don't begin that stupid talk about cut the personal attacks. Politics is personal. Every politician has personal flaws. Hillary is too sensitive about these things. She bristles too easily.

We need a politician who is less self-centered. One of Bush's biggest faults is his self-centeredness. He thinks the world revolves around him and his thoughts and feelings. Hillary is by no means as extreme as Bush in this respect, but with regard to the nomination, she is overly self-centered. She will be bad, bad, bad for America.

of her head?

where I criticized her supporters for knocking other candidates.

They're all flawed. I think Edwards bristled too easily when Dennis caught him off guard. It's just not meaningful. And she doesn't strike me as being any more or less self-centered than any other candidate. Hell, Dennis won't commit to supporting the dem candidate.

I can see plenty of faults in Clinton, and they have more to do with substantive things- like fundraising, straddling positions and voting for K/L.

:rofl:

The entertainment from you haters will be fabulous

:party: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :popcorn: :party: :beer:


:toast: :party: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :popcorn: :beer: :party:

She says she'll support whoever the Dem nominee is. Seconds before she said it WILL be her and only her. Just like in the Philly debate: "it makes sense" and then saying she didn't say it just seconds later. Hillary is a lame national candidate. She has massive flaws in personality that will make her unelectable next year.

Hillary believes that she alone deserves to be the nominee.

her trying to stay positive. The minute anyone starts to have negative thoughts, on anything, is the minute they set into motion the "what you fear, you draw near" factor. It's been proven over, and over, that people with positive attitudes are far more successful in life. I don't think she is being arrogant, just trying to stay focused, and positive. Nothing wrong with that in my book. I don't know that I am as confident about her as I use to be, but time will tell.

but it's a fact that having a positive attitude is a factor in success. Like it or not. This was just another in a long line of ridiculous, irrational attacks against Hillary. Even people who don't support her can see that...

know why. Could they just be asleep...who knows...why dont' we ask Hillary Clinton why she shakes her head...same old...same old.

She is the only Democratic candidate that my "gut" tells me not to trust. (My gut, and almost everything I've read and know, so I guess it's a little more than just a "feeling".)

And I will not be shut up about it by intimidating posts. I do not feel that way about any other Democratic candidate. I like them all. So I'm not criticizing Hillary to boost another candidate. I just think she is an awful choice. I'm a pretty normal person. I usually like everyone. I just have this creepy feeling about Hillary. She will be yet another blow to our country. We have a number of other great possibilities for president. And the more I watch and listen to Hillary, the less I like her. She is another Maggie Thatcher. She is too bitter, too phony. She is just not an integrated personality. We see a veneer, not a real person. Hillary hides the real person -- but she is not much of an actor.

Watch how Edwards or Obama take criticism. They acknowledge the right of the person criticizing them to speak out. Then watch Hillary -- You would think the person criticizing her was some sort of ant that she could smash with her foot with impunity. Hillary is arrogant and cannot take criticism. That is a terrible combination.

And as for supporting the Democratic nominee if it is not herself -- Hillary will say she will, but when it comes down to it she will do everything she can to get revenge should anyone else get the nomination.

As for Hillary's reasons for wanting so badly to be president, I have huge questions. Is it just to show Bill she is as good as he is? I've wondered about that.

I don't think Hillary wants to be president because she wants to help Americans really. She seems to borrow most over her policy proposals from other candidates -- or the Republican Party. I wonder if she is going to play Republican-lite some more and just let her corporate donors draft legislation for her once she is elected.

seek help. hate is not healthy. You are projecting wildly out of intense dislike and mistaking it for shrewd analysis.

She wants this so badly, that I think she would willingly sabotage the Dem nominee so that she could run again in '12. By '16, she'd no longer be viable, and if there was a Dem incumbent for 8 years the natural choice for '16 would be that person's VP - so to get the top seat herself she either would need to be that VP (and who would choose her?) or she'd need to run again in '12.

So, yes, I think she WAS lying about supporting another nominee.

Did you find the link yet for those "body language experts?"

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see this prominently mentioned as a sign of a person who is in conflict.

Why would she be in conflict about supporting the Dem candidate?

nt

That could explain it -- but would disqualify her from being prez were she born in India.

;-)

Obviously she's lying because she'a a vampire and she sleeps during the day.

Here ya go...if HRC doesn't get the nomination and doesn't endorse the Democratic candidate, I'll donate $1000 to DU if you'll pledge to donate $10 if she does endorse the candidate.

All the dems endorsed Kerry in 04, after he got the nomination, but a great many contributed to the undermining of his election bid. They didn't want him in for 8 years, cuz that would screw with the plans they had for their own DLC candidate.

Not naming names. You know who she is.

around her head. lol

Oy vey.

I've seen the stretch of the imagination before but this takes the cake.

Hallucinations

should probably check out the probability of a derangement syndrome

is. Why did she ignore the fact that there was no evidence for a war and spew propaganda about Saddam, Iraq and Al Queida like Bush did instead of being honest about the facts and protecting thousands of lives. For some reason her agenda must have matched Bush and Cheneys because she followed their lead on the illegal war and then voted yes every time. If people would ignore the bullshit they hear and look at the candidates ACTIONS not their WORDS, maybe our children and our country's future would be in better shape. Too bad there arent enough people that actually care to see the truth for what it is and have decided to support a candidate that has some other agenda at the top of their priority list.

so it's not like you can assume her head shaking one way or the other is relative to the current conversation she's involved in. It's just a quirky thing she does, and I even pointed this out in a thread last night, although a couple lame disruptors tried to crash that thread because they couldn't stomach any criticisms of personality traits of any of our candidates.

Where's the news?

denying something. Watch the whole video. This is nuts.

What body language expert (Is there even such a discipline?) said this was a sign of conflict or lying? Link please.

Oprah would be campaigning for "us" as in "democratic candidates".

I guess it all depends on your perspective.

I can't say your theory holds water, but the body language is interesting nonetheless.

in the rest of the video, regardless of whether she is being positive or negative. I think it is very bogus. Who naturally bobs their head up and down anyway while they are talking? - most people move their heads more or less side to side as they talk in an animated way.

The study of body language has been a part of psychology courses for decades, and there ARE experts out there. It is well enough defined that diplomats are briefed on intracacies of body language to prevent inadvertant insults or misunderstandings in dealing with other cultures -in the Balkans and Greece, for example, shaking the head is affirmative, not negative. This would only need to be pointed out if the known norm in America is the opposite. Nodding while saying 'no', or shaking the head while saying 'yes' usually indicates the opposite of the words because the body motion is unconscious, while language is conscious expression -- IOW, words may lie but the body tells the truth.

Did you sleep through Psyche 101?

And Bill hasn't said anything about Hillary considering a run with Ron Paul either.
Don't get me wrong, I hope neither Clinton nor Kucinich get the nomination

she moved her head from side to side as she was talking throughout the interview. Man, are you really digging for stuff. How silly.

It was her natural head movement while talking which for most people is more side to side than up and down. In fact, if somebody did move their head up and down every time they were affirming something we would likely think it a little weird.

this is for real, or you just trying to be funny?

I'm sure of it, I saw the move myself... That sumbitch, I'm done if he wins, I'm taking my ball and going home and and and.

More and more idiocy as we get closer and closer to the nomination. Fuck, I really can't wait for this to be over already.

If you'll notice, she moves her head side to side several times during that interview.

Lame.

The bar has set to another low.

--who has studied body language quite a bit, My observation is that Hill is shaking her head through the entire interview.

This reads to me more as Hillary finding Katie Couric to be annoyingly stupid in her questioning.

and they are always certain, rarely right

Who was it who said you can't make this shit up...

And then she said "I'll support whoever the Dem nominee is" The "whoever" being: HER AND ONLY HER.

Even when she's being arrogant, she has to waffle. I broke out laughing, when I saw the CBS News interview live.

She probably shouldn't have worn that dress either.

:sarcasm:

This is what you guys are reduced to? An interpretation of someone shaking her head?

I'm thinking her 'lesbian-affair-with-staffer' didn't work out too well, so you guys though "hey! maybe we can make people think her vocal and body language disagree to the point of invalidating her run for the presidency!!! Great idea! This'll be the bestest idea yet!!!"

C'mon-- you guys are letting me down. While great on the Imaginative Scale, it's pretty far down on the Plausibility Scale. And you need high ratings in both.

They're dam proud of themselves! Dont ya know, it takes many many hours of seaching the internet to come up with quality revelations like these. Saves a lot of time thinking. :evilgrin:

no no no! LOL

"We all have universal health care, except Senator Obama"

That is a LIE - she has universal health insurance, in the hands of the insurance industry. That is NOT universal health care.

"I wish this campaign would allow us to compare health care plans."

Shaking her head there, too, because she does not have a health care plan. She doesn't want any head to head comparison, because hers is a giveaway to the insurance industry and she knows it.

"I've never considered it" (not getting the nomination)

Shaking her head there, because it is a clearly negative statement and, when stating a negative, that is the appropriate response.

Those who are saying "she was moving her head all the time" can't seem to consider that she was LYING through most the interview.

how she goes on about everyone piling on. Give it a break same old shit for almost 20 years now.