Black voters tilt toward Clinton: study

Hillary Clinton is overwhelmingly popular with black voters, drawing higher approval ratings than the only major African-American candidate running for president, according to a study released today by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies.

Clinton's own record as First Lady and New York senator -- along with her marriage to former President Bill Clinton, who is very popular among black voters -- earned her an 83 percent approval rating among likely black voters, compared to 75 percent who ranked Illinois Senator Barack Obama positively, the study said.

It's not that black voters don't like Obama as much, said David Bositis, senior research director for the Washington-based group. But African-Americans -- especially those in the South -- haven't seen black candidates do well statewide, and are concerned Obama can't win, Bositis said.

By a two-to-one margin, black voters said they valued ``commitment to change'' over experience in public office, a trend that would seem to favor Obama, who has cast himself as the agent of change in the race for the Democratic nomination. But Clinton, seen by voters as the stronger candidate to win the general election, still scored higher, according to the poll of 750 African-Americans who said they were likely to participate in primaries and caucuses.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/11/black_voters_tilt_toward_clinton_study.html

and so is the women's vote. Thanks for posting.

"Clinton's own record as First Lady and New York senator -- along with her marriage to former President Bill Clinton, who is very popular among black voters -- earned her an 83 percent approval rating among likely black voters, compared to 75 percent who ranked Illinois Senator Barack Obama positively, the study said."

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I'd say two of the three reasons she's so popular among Black voters are have nothing to do with who she is and everything to do with who her husband is. And if Bill Clinton wasn't her husband, I seriously doubt she'd have become a Senator. This is not a sexist statement-it's an obvious fact (IMO). ;) Still, Obama is only 8% behind her and that's before OPRAH hits the trail to make Black people, women, and everyone else for that matter take a look at him and change their support from the spouse of "the first Black president" to the guy who's done work for civil rights for over 20 years.

If she wasn't married to Bill, her support among Black voters would be equal to Kuciinich's support among Black voters.

..they like her better than Obama. :)

That will change. ;)

Do you live in this country? You should know what I said is true.

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and that Bill's popularity is being transferred to his wife. Your own post says so-2 of the 3 reasons Black people like her are related DIRECTLY to her husband.

pointing out that 2 out of 3 of their stated reasons are directly connected to her husband.

"I know (as in 'I have the knowledge) you and I have no reason or right to second guess their stated reasons for supporting Hillary."

I'm pointing out that 2 out of 3 of their stated reasons are directly connected to her husband.

Bullshit. The OP says they support Clinton because of her own record as First Lady and New York senator -- along with her marriage to former President Bill Clinton.

I said "They support her based on her history, not her skin color."

You said "I don't believe that for a second. If she wasn't married to Bill, her support among Black voters would be equal to Kuciinich's support among Black voters."

Your intent is to say the only reason they support her is because of Bill - which contradicts what they actually said.

Your words: "I know you and I have no reason or right to second guess their stated reasons for supporting Hillary."

It doesn't matter how you meant it-you said those words.

They said they support her because of her record when she was First Lady (Bill's wife) and because she's married to Bill Clinton. If she wasn't married to Bill, she wouldn't have been first lady.

I sit by what I said.

My words: "I know (as in 'I have the knowledge') you and I (the two of us) have no reason or right to second guess their stated reasons for supporting Hillary."

I'm not responsible for your misunderstanding or reading comprehension.

Of course you sit by what you said. To admit otherwise would put a dent in the Obamalogic.

for everyone to see. You sound just like your girl who said she thinks it's a good idea then denied saying it then said it again! :rofl:

I guess you concede the argument since you're trying to change the subject now.

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I guess you conceded the argument when you tried to change the subject first.

as much/well as they know Bill Clinton?" I didn't take away some of your words to change the meaning like you did. Nice try. You lost this argument, like it or not. Just like your girl is losing.

You lost this argument, like it or not. Just like your boy is losing.

You denied writing that just like your girl denied saying it's a good idea. Obama's winning which is why your girl is slinging mud now.

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:rofl: Admit it and move on.

:rofl: Admit it and move on.

..." instead of trying to DENY writing what you wrote. :rofl:

You probably don't make mistakes, right?

when they can just listen to the voices in their head?

Dang. What are you trying to say?

I have no respect for those who won't defend their own assertions. If you won't stand up for your own beliefs, why should I?

Dang. Wolf and I have gone through this many times and I know how Wolf twists shit for his own purpose. I actually have fun with Wolf but get annoyed when people try to jump in when they don't know wtf they're talking about.

You weren't even in this conversation but you're going to jump in uninformed.

Like I care about who you have respect for.... While we on the subject I have no respect for people that jump into shit and carry water for people when they don't even know the history behind the remarks.

and you *are* claiming to know better why black people like Hillary than black people themselves. Black people have said they like her record, but you claim that black do not like her because they like her record. You claim it's because of her husband and it has nothing to do with her record.

I said what I said. If you want to take issue with me because I feel that it has more to do with her husband then that's your perogative. I take issue with that and dispute it's validity just like I dispute the validity of most polls I've seen this early in the election.

I'm sorry, that's what I believe.

There are many blacks who are offended by the nickname given her husband, "The First Black President". Many feel his policies were not all positive for black people. Even she mentions her husband's record when she campaigns.

It's true that the Clintons are popular among African Americans but there is also a vocal segment who take issue with their policies.

I know how you like to go back and forth.

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Is that is your only contribution on this board, sarcasm? I've read other threads when you have not been as insulting. Remember, you started it. I was not talking to you. I've said what I meant. If You or Wolf can't accept then that becomes your personal problem.


You both are determined to have a contrary position to anything I have to say. No problem.

Too funny

yall funny

I guess it's only OK when you do it

Talk about covering your ass.

So Hillary can't use Bill but Obama CAN use Oprah? Cute.

Of course, my favorite part is their opinion on electability.

They can use anyone they want. Where did that come from?

If she wants to use Bill that's fine, be honest about it. Of course Obama would use Oprah and just like he's getting people expressing their opinion on it Hillary needs to be prepared to receive the same type of scrutiny.

for recognizing my humor. Are you seriously equating a wife of a president who's popular within a great majority of people to a candidate who IS Black who happens to have a supporter campaigning for him 4 times? :rofl: Hillary's not "using" Bill. She's running AS Bill (or trying to). Obama's "using" Oprah to bring people to his events. BIG difference.

If Stedman was running for President, AND if Oprah had been President, your comparison would work better (although I don't think they ever made it official)

What a faulty comparison.

Conjecturing that Clinton would never have become a Senator if she hadn't married Bill Clinton is exactly that- conjecture, supposition, guessing. It's anything but a fact. Do you know *gasp* that there are 16 women Senators? Are you suggesting that Hillary Clinton isn't as bright, ambitious and politically savvy as Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Maria Cantwell or Diane Feinstein? It actually is sexist of you to make that statement, as well as arrogant and ignorant.

did you notice the "IMO" and the winky face?

So I'm arrogant and ignorant as well as sexist? I disagree, of course. But in Hillary's case, how can you deny that her husband has made her as popular as she is?

don't want to get called on nonsense? Don't spout it.

And I don't deny that Bill is a big factor in her popularity. So what?

"...it's an obvious fact (IMO). ;)" What don't you understand about me saying in my OPINION followed by the ;) ? Don't understand my statement? Don't comment on it.

So people like to think it's NOT a big factor.

We did an informal poll at Thanksgiving and it broke 59 Obama, 2 Kucinich . There was 1 person that initially said Clinton, but he was immediately shamed into being "undecided." LOL !

I'm not sure who it is these pollsters are talking to. :evilfrown:

It's exceptional:eyes:

You need to get away once in a while.

I haven't seen the vast support of Hillary among African Americans(you know, the subject of this thread).

And stop assuming that you know about my life.

and this comes from my Republican friends who plan on voting for her if she is the nominee.

and I'm from North Carolina, Maybe you should get out and meet more people.

I'm not sure who it is these pollsters are talking to.

And I don't believe one word of your account.

and I could care less what you believe...

"We can't be liberal and win."

It's sad that our side of the aisle is so driven by a lack of self-esteem that we believe someone like us can never win.

I agree.

I think you are hearing things you want to hear through partisan ears. Regardless, suffice to say many don't agree with your assessment, and that's what matters. I'm pretty certain Obama isn't breaking a sweat over partisan squabbling on Democratic Underground.

Ashcroft annointed himself, Delay claims he is the federal govt, and Obama thinks he's the equivalent of Joshua and tells us we must embrace Christ.

Find yourself an atheist candidate if you don't like it.

There are plenty to choose from.

that's what it means.

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The sarcasm was in pretty bad taste. Who said they were naive or is this how YOU really feel.

...who don't think the "correct" way.

See this thread? Full of people saying the black people are wrong for supporting Clinton and second guessing their stated reasons as to why. Guess what? South Caroline African Americans don't need netroots guidance

People are saying what they know but you won't believe it because you are dependent on all the articles that you continue to post on this board.

When I read many of your posts I get the feeling that you think you need to guide other people who don't think the correct way. That's subjective and go apply to many sides.

Now, if you said that wanted to move too fast and are too radical you might have a point.

They're not saying what they "know." White people on DU don't know shit about what black people in South Carolina really think. What you're doing is calling them liars because they can't possibly make a political decision without the know-it-all netroots helping them.

with ever coming to this site or any of the other sites on the internet. I'm saying what I know.

Like I said, you wouldn't understand. No one is calling the people liars. In order for me to do that I would have to take everything you posted as the truth. I don't do that. I don't trust many polls this early in the election.

Why you keep insisting that people think black people are naive and liars is very interesting.

The problem for you is that I didn't say that. You know this also. You have a habit of doing this. Like I said, you won't understand. That's too bad. You could learn some things and it might help you with your candidate.

Then you entered this subthread. See post #39? "See this thread? Full of people saying the black people are wrong for supporting Clinton and second guessing their stated reasons as to why. Guess what? South Caroline African Americans don't need netroots guidance."

To which you replied: "People are saying what they know but you won't believe it because you are dependent on all the articles that you continue to post on this board."

People are saying what they know??? HOW do they know what the black voters in South Carolina REALLY think? Hmmm?

Is that supposed to be another "satirical" thread?

And you don't think your words diminish your candidates credibility?

Shame on you for showing your face in this Pro-Hillary thread!

But you should also lighten up. The Hillary and Satan thread was as much self-mockery of anti-Hillary people like me as much as anything.

yeah, I'll lighten up after you grow up. Hows that for a deal breaker!

You complain that this is predictable, but you've never complained about your own predictability.

I guess it's OK when you do it

I acknowledged my own predictability....Most of us are -- including yourself.

They seem to have no problem defining this presidential campaign in terms of race, dissecting black voters' views, assessing how black candidates will do and pontificating about whether a candidates' race will be a detriment.

But just let a BLACK PERSON mention race in connection with this campaign - or suggest that a candidate's race might be a help or a hindrance and we're bombarded with accusations that we're PLAYING THE RACE CARD!!!!

Amazing.

It really is amazing.

Apparently the only people allowed to "play the race card" are the ones who've stacked the deck in the first place. :puke:

That leaves Obama, Clinton, Edwards and Kucinich who doesn't really get a lot of face time.

I'm just waiting for Biden to make another stupid racist remark and his subsequent drop out from the race. That will at least make things interesting between Kucinich, Clinton, Obama and Edwards. I often wonder if Biden realizes that the only purpose he serves in this race is to shift voters to Clinton.

He's certainly not much of an alternative to the top three. As a matter of fact, on many issues he's 100 times worse than they are or adequatly equal.

It was extremely interesting. I wondered how long before it got reported. It wasn't good news for Obama .

He leaves a lasting impression on some folks.

==If Obama wins the Iowa caucuses Jan. 3, however, he will have a more ``level playing field'' that will lead all Democratic voters -- not just blacks -- to take another look at the Illinois senator, Bositis said. ``It would become a real race,'' he said.==

If the article is correct, and many blacks are concerned about Obama's electability, then his winning mostly white Iowa might assuage those concerns. Nothing convinces as effectively as success.

This is why Obama has put all of his eggs in the Iowa basket

and the adoration of Bill.

since he left the whitehouse.

Harlem wasn't his first choice. There were protests when he first moved in and there are still occasional protests.

The increase in rents has nothing to do with Bill Clinton renting office space there. It is a phenomenon that is happening all over the country wherever white folks decide that a neighborhood that has been held together by black folks (and neglected and ignored by everyone else) is after all a really cool place to live. They move in, get into bidding wars over apartments and buildings they wouldn't have gone near five years ago, open a Starbucks on every corner, push out many of the black businesses, and price the real estate and property taxes out of the range of the people who have kept the neighborhood alive over the years. THAT'S why the rents have gone up, not because Bill Clinton rented office space - something that was welcomed and appreciated by the community.

Yes, he was welcomed and appreciated by most but not all in the community. There were indeed protests. They weren't large protests but everyone was not happy with his arrival. What I've felt is the perception by many that all black people love Clinton and that he was the First Black President.

Black people are no more unanimous in our views than any other group of people are.