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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:48 PM
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Poll question: Does Senator Obama support designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a Terrorist organization?
This is a simple factual question with a simple factual answer.

Senator Obama has been a consistent supporter of designating the IRG a terrorist organization. He co-sponsored legislation containing the first use of the specific Kyl/Lieberman language calling on the State Department to make that designation.

When Condi Rice announced State had made the formal designation, Senator Obama put out a statement approving of the designation.

When Obama criticizes Hillary for Kyl/Lieberman (which he did not vote against... no show) he takes pains to criticize K/L for reasons OTHER THAN the IRG designation, because he supported (and supports) the IRG designation.

His official position on the matter is that he supports it.

Given all that... Does Senator Obama support designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a Terrorist organization?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:49 PM
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1. Why are you asking us?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:57 PM
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3. Why not ask? There's a wide range of opinion, and polls are measures of opinion.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:55 PM
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2. The bills have different language plus the bill you are making a thinly
veiled reference to with 70+ cosponsors never made it out of committee. Kyl-Lieberman was in Jim Webb's words "Cheney's wet dream" which is why everyone EXCEPT Hillary opposed it.

Nice try trying to mitigate Hillary's YES vote, however, YES votes on matters of war resonate a whole hell of a lot louder than ideas.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:58 PM
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4. Outside a comprehensive Iranian strategy?
Obviously no because he didn't support the yes vote on Kyl-Lieberman.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:59 PM
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5. he didn't vote nay either.
He really should have voted nay if he wanted to criticize others.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 04:07 PM
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6. He'd have been attacked anyway
He's been attacked for not voting soon enough, for not fighting strongly before voting, for voting as strategy, etc etc. It wouldn't have mattered whether he voted or not. You can think, and see the clear differences between the two Iran bills, or follow the sheepherders. It's up to you.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 04:09 PM
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7. that has nothing to do with it.
You cede the high ground when you don't vote and then criticize someone else for their vote.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 04:12 PM
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8. Only in DU delusions n/t
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 04:32 PM
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9. How can we say....as per usual he skipped a hard vote.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:00 PM
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10. Exactly. I did vote no though.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:23 PM
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13. That vote has almost nothing to do with the question
There is no mystery... his stated position is supporting the IRG designation. That's not reading between the lines or divining his intentions, it's his official position.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:01 PM
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11. NO! It isn't true! (fingers in ears) lalalalalalalalalalala
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:10 PM
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12. Where's the choice for
"What time is it?"
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:29 PM
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14. "particularly on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which supports terrorism"
The new sanctions target Iran's Revolutionary Guard, its Quds force and a number of Iranian banks and people the U.S. accuses of backing nuclear proliferation and terror-related activities.

"It is important to have tough sanctions on Iran, particularly on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which supports terrorism," Barack Obama said. "But these sanctions must not be linked to any attempt to keep our troops in Iraq, or to take military action against Iran." The senator from Illinois added that "unfortunately, the Kyl-Lieberman amendment made the case for President Bush that we need to use our military presence in Iraq to counter Iran -- a case that has nothing to do with sanctioning the Revolutionary Guard."

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:xaVt9u_L4q0J:www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/25/iran.campaign/+obama+iranian+revolutionary+guard+terrorist+condoleezza+rice&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:29 PM
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15. Using the evidence you provided...
it would seem so.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:02 PM
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16. Goodness... forty percent think Senator Obama is lying about his position
He states it, but almost half of people believe him.

It's Obama-nation in a nutshell... Obama is a Rorschach blot. "He supports whatever I support, thinks whatever I think."
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:11 PM
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19. Obama supporters are blinded with idolatry
Nothing he says can be wrong. If it's wrong, he didn't say it
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:08 PM
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17. Didn't Hillary vote yes on Kyl-Lieberman?
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:55 AM
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18. kicked for cali
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:16 PM
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20. Well, ARE they?
Not that it's our place - or diplomaticly smart - to officially declare it one way or another. But are they "evilduers"?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:45 PM
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21. NO ONE WILL DEFEND OBAMA!!!!
Go through the thread, There isn't one Obama supporter around to defend him

All they can do is attack Clinton. They don't even TRY to defend Obama
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:56 PM
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22. NO ONE WILL DEFEND OBAMA? don't be silly, for every negative about Obama there will always be a
positive... we have more to lose by not doing whatever necessary to ensure that he defeats Hillary.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:59 PM
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23. And another Obama supporter fails to defend Obama
I guess there's nothing to defend
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:01 PM
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24. It's not a matter of defending him. No defense should be needed
I am not attacking him. I don't have a big problem with his position. Some do, but I don't.

The problem is that some Obama supporters STILL cite the IRG designation as a difference between Obama and Clinton, even though the two have the same position on the matter. I can only assume that they are convinced that Obama opposes the IRG designation (despite his consistent support of it) because they oppose it, and cannot imagine that Obama doesn't agree with them about everything.

(intellectual honesty kudos to katzenkavalier for consistently recognizing that Obama does not object to the IRG designation component of Kyl/Lieberman.)
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:42 PM
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25. "Some do, but I don't"
That's my point. It's well known that Obama supporters have attacked Clinton over this issue, but Obama supporters get real quiet when it comes to Obama co-sponsoring S970
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:45 PM
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26. You'll find you answer here
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