Hillary Clinton: Most famous. Least known?

THE CONTENDERS: HILLARY CLINTON
Chicago Tribune: Clinton: Most famous. Least known?
By Bob Secter and Dawn Turner Trice | Tribune staff reporters
November 27, 2007



When Hillary Clinton opened her Washington townhouse for a political fundraiser last fall, the highlight for a select few came after the movers and shakers wrote their checks and left. Despite her fame and power, Clinton keeps in regular touch with the circle of close high school girlfriends she made growing up in Park Ridge back when the Beatles were a new act. Led by the junior senator from New York and soon-to-be presidential candidate, the Maine South alumnae adjourned to the kitchen, raided the fridge, gushed over a friend's jewelry and mugged in yoga poses. All that was missing were the hair curlers and the stack of 45 r.p.m. hits.

"We just kicked our shoes off, and Hillary was just one of the girls," said Betsy Ebeling, who has known Clinton since the 6th grade. If Clinton has a problem as she seeks the Democratic presidential nod -- and problem is a relative term for a tightly disciplined campaign powered by a fiercely loyal political army -- it's that many voters consider her nothing like the down-to-earth woman in that kitchen scene....

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Disdain hasn't been confined to the right. Some liberals accuse her of finger-to-the-wind Iraq stands, and feminists complain that ambition led her to become a doormat for her philandering husband.

Hillary Clinton's many admirers see a very different person, earnest, focused and pragmatic, a symbol of accomplishment. To all of that, Clinton's Maine South pals would add another quality: resilience. In school, she was the quintessential striver, the National Merit Scholar with an armful of community service awards. She might stumble, but she never gave up.

It is that tenacity that undergirds her presidential bid. Clinton's tenure as first lady was marred by turmoil and melodrama, yet in just a few short years she has come into her own as a political force with a genuine shot at shattering the nation's ultimate glass ceiling....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-1127hillaryclintonnov27,1,5903279,full.story?ctrack=2&cset=true

They've had so many years with access to the biggest microphones and network airtime.

Her argument is that she is the candidate that is best prepared to deal with the inevitable repuke onslaught of propoganda

I am so sick of that shit. Being a mainstream centerist with solid workable proposals is a perfectly respectable place to be. If the fringe doesn't like it then don't vote for her, but here's a clue: they are all politicians and she's a good one.

Personally, I do my own thinking. It's sad the HateWing has so many groupthinkers.

They didn't do so well on the "Clintons Trashed the WH" lie that went on for 9 months.

They didn't do well on "Clinton was soft on terrorists" lie that went uncountered by Bill till Sept 2006.

They DID do well on pushing the cover story for Marc Rich - that he was just another wealthy tax evader who needed pardoning. Alot of people bought that. Except those Democrats who remembered full well that Marc Rich was a named figure in both IranContra and BCCI, and knew that Clinton was pardoning another figure in Poppy Bush's illegal operations. (But Dem rank and file wouldn't defend THAT pardon if they knew the truth, would they?)

Those stories did so well that Hillary won election to the Senate twice.

And I noticed that you make one weak accusation, and when that doesn't stick, you just toss out some more. Like a bushie, you never admit you've done wrong.

:evilgrin:

The Clintons DIDN'T trash the WH, nor did their staff.

Bill Clinton was NOT soft on terrorism, itself, the way corpmedia implied - if he was soft on anything, it was being soft on Poppy Bush and his cronies who were funding terror networks for decades.

but left Hillary standing. Thanks for clearing that up

Would we be better off as a country if an anti-corruption, open government Democrat like Kerry had been president?

BTW - Clinton was able to win in 92 because of democrats like Kerry who worked for years to uncover IranContra, illegal wars in Central America and BCCI, generating constant bad headlines for GHWBush.

Investigations that Bill deep-sixed all the outstanding matters that kept popping up throughout the 90s.

So Bill had Kerry's efforts from 1986-92 helping HIS candidacy, what did Kerry get from Bill in 2003-4?

Historian Brinkley observed this in April2004:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill on Larry King Live, June2004:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq /

Always certain, never correct

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Peas in a pod.

I do my best. By the way, do you know how much money that guy raised for Clinton? It really is amazing.

You're starting to repeat yourself.

Here's some substance for you, read about Mark Penn, and weep.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mark_Penn

Now run along.

in response to your substantial contributions

That one only posts innuendo. Never any facts

I'm trying to figure out how that New Politics works

An Edwards supporter, asdjrocky faults Clinton for taking donations from Newscorp employees for her Senate campaign - yet Edwards pocketed $800,000 from a Murdoch owned publisher.

He didnt opt for public financing until it became apparent he wasn't going to exceed the limits anyway

don't post it as an OP, DU will burn you at the metaphorical stake.

it's dat wittle wascally squirrel again, contwibuting her bwilliant commentary.

Good on you, cupcake. Nice to see you're predictable.

Can't stop thinking about me?

From what the RW tells me, he uses the money to buy kittens, then he melts their brains with his super shooter solid gold lazar beam projector.

Then he laughs. Yes, he laughs.

Dam she's gorgeous. It's enough to give half this place borderline wood and it's only 2 in the afternoon, on the East Coast anyway!

M'boy! Good to see ya buddy!:rofl:

and am stunned how blind I was to the entrenchment in government of what boils down to a two-family regime. This is our chance to break free from the status quo, the systematic cover-ups, corporate dominance in the legislative process, etc. It's easy and terribly convenient to just fall in line, but America needs to really look at the choices available and think long and hard about it.

you don't just 'get over' for the sake of party when our number one loyalty should be to our country and fellow FREE citizens.

... almost choke on the abject contempt I feel, and I only wish that was hyperbole. The bright side is the journey and feeling relieved to be on the other side of it. I only hope the Democratic Party is brave enough to take an alternate route this time. It could be better than we are capable of imagining right now.

very interesting read

We might for once see her as she is and not as her handlers have told her she should be. I think this would do her a lot of good. It might make me like her more.

Some years ago, when Bill was running for reelection, I got to know a woman who worked for the campaign and who knew Hillary pretty well. She described her as super intelligent, organized, disciplined, but also warm, caring and very funny. She said that Hillary comes off stiff in public because she's been burned so many times. She's learned to be guarded because she knows that anything she says can and will be used against her or her husband. It's a pity that she doesn't allow her "natural" self to come through more often. I think that if she did more people would realize that she is quite personable and not the caricature that she was made out to be by the right wingers and the media.

I can't support someone in the primary, and I can't do so enthusiastically, if I don't get the sense that they're being themselves.

Forget about worrying what people will say about you!