How much "change" do we need ?

I just listened to John Edwards and Barack Obama at the DNC meeting and both were impressive in their messages for change. Edwards said that we need to tear down "the wall" in Washington. Obama said that he was for "change that we can believe in". Which of those two do you think would most likely "change" the politics in Washington? How important is "change"? Is that only a political slogan? Will one Democrat be more likely to bring about change than the other? Or will "change" have to start with the Democrats in Congress?

I'm doubtful that either would wholly succeed; I think they'd both have modest successes. Institutional behavior is a bitch and a half to change- and that's what we're dealing with. Change is important, but the changes I want to see are concrete: Habeas restored, taxes raised on the wealthiest, Gitmo closed, the war ended, and health care reform, etc. If either one of them could rally the Congressional dems and persuade them to tackle these problems, we might see real change.
And increased majority in both Houses would help.

Good questions.

as far as change is concerned - which means doing away with all the fascistic changes * brought up. Beginning with ending the war - which I don't see any of the two accomplishing.

that you mention above?

I do not think all democrats would attempt to institute the same changes. Using one of the examples that cali listed should indicate why not -- the damage that was done to habeas corpus started with President Clinton, not Bush. In fact, the damage Bush did was possible because of the the harm President Clinton had done. Only one democrat in the Senate, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had strongly opposed President Clinton's plan to undermine the Great Writ. I do not think there is any reason to believe that all democrats would be as willing to undo the damage to the Great Writ, because that requires reversing what both of the past two presidents have done.

would be to reclaim habeus corpus and the powers of the people's House, where individual policies can be legislated which take the needs of the greater society to heart. The war needs to be ended, and the military budget controlled. Private armies need to banned. Period. The CIA, imho, needs to be disbanded, and we need to start from scratch again.

I don't think any of our present candidates would disband the CIA? Rather than worrying about losing the next election and having to endure the vocal criticsm of the Republicans, they should cut the Defense budget because it is the right thing to do. But, it is doubtful.

the insurance industry (personally, I'd prefer it to be eliminated). At the very least, we should get the insurance industry out of the finance and investment business.

it's not just the question of change, but is it GOOD change? we don't need anything but GOOD CHANGE IN THE US.

we are way over due!

But revolution is such a divisive word....why not just say "change"? Learn from them.