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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:21 PM
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Obama warned drive could offend Iowans
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7125.html



Obama warned drive could offend Iowans

By: Mike Allen
Dec 1, 2007

An effort to recruit out-of-state Iowa college students draws a scolding from the state’s leading political commentator.



The campaign of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is drawing some local skepticism for a drive to recruit non-Iowans to caucus at their Iowa colleges.

“If you are not from Iowa, you can come back for the Iowa caucus and caucus in your college neighborhood,” says a four-page “Students for Barack Obama” brochure provided to Politico.

David Yepsen of the Des Moines Register, the state’s leading political commentator, wrote in a blog post called “The Illinois Caucus” that the effort to increase participation by out-of-staters “risks offending long-time Iowa residents.”

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“No presidential campaign in memory has ever made such a large, open attempt to encourage students from out of state, many of whom pay out-of-state tuition, to participate in the caucuses.,” he said. “No other campaign appears to be doing it in this campaign cycle.”

The student section of BarackObama.com has a “Rock the Caucus” section designed to make it as easy as possible for collegiate supporters of Obama to turn out.








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petersjo02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:27 PM
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1. Who cares what David Yepsen thinks?
I don't. He loves the sound of his own voice. He's an overinflated, self-important bloviator who is enjoying way too much all the attention he's been getting this fall.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:28 PM
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2. What's the problem?
Can out-of-state college students register to vote in their college towns while they're enrolled at colleges in Iowa? If so, then they can caucus. So...?

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:40 PM
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6. Ask Howard Dean what the problem is
Yet another indication of inexperience among the Obama team.

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:48 PM
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10. Inexperience, and yet he's surging nicely on the polls.
Poor Hillary, she's about to get whooped.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:36 PM
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33. 0.4% is a surge? who knew? n/t
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 08:38 PM by ccpup
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:52 PM
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13. No, this isn't an orange hat invasion at all
This is college students who are almost full year residents being told it is legal for them to caucus. Which it is. Legal and normal.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:01 PM
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16. May be legal, but it won't look good
to longtime Iowans.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:05 PM
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21. Bullshit.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:09 PM
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26. Time will tell
Not that anyone could convince neophytes otherwise-

Frankly, if recent history is any indication of Obama's judgment, seems to me he'll create far worse problms for himself between now & then.

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:10 PM
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27. That's what you wish.
Things are going his way now, and they should only get better.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:16 PM
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31. Not what I wish- what I've been observing
The phony preacher talk, the BS about social security and the health care plans shows me that the tendency I saw throughout his short Senate stint is only getting worse.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:11 PM
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28. "Time will tell"
Yup. It always does.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:14 PM
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29. Lying about it will look stupid
to long time Iowans, and highly political, which will backfire all over Hillary.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:19 PM
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32. Indeed!
:D

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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:29 PM
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3. hey ... wait!
are you sure that's not Clinton they're talking about? Obama would NEVER in a million YEARS do something so underhanded, so despicable, so ... dishonest.

It's common knowledge he walks on water, heals the sick, gives sight to the blind and hope to the destitute and hopeless (but not healthcare yet; he's working on it) and every puppy and kitten from miles around run to him and nuzzle against his strong ankles as his honeyed words drip like a healing salve to those in need of his blessed wisdom and healing Light.

You must have the wrong guy. Or this David Yepsen -- I don't trust that name -- who wrote this disgusting dribble in the newspaper is a Hillary Shill and eats babies for breakfast and is a republican operative who's very, very afraid of Obama's almighty power and strength! Yeah, that's it!

Obama is wise. Obama is good. Obama is wise. Obama is good. Obama is wise. Obama is good.

:sarcasm:
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:34 PM
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4. Now the picture below is real sarcasm.
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 07:35 PM by jody
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:03 PM
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20. Great picture!!!
:rofl:
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:36 PM
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5. The odd thing is...
Yepsen had been very gracious to Obama...in fact, I wrote him a nice letter a few months back about him kissing up to Obama, while ignoring the rest of the candidates....now, he's starting to see it.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:42 PM
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7. This is bullshit.
We live in Illinois. During the four years my daughter went to Iowa State, she was a registered voter in Ames, Iowa.

Not only was she a voter, she was a Democratic leader on campus. She went to the Harkin steak fry, the Jefferson-Jackson dinner, and she met all the candidates. She was a caucus leader in 2004. She liked it there so much that she thought about staying and taking a job with the Iowa Democrats.

It is common for students to register to vote where they go to school. It is common as well for students to stay in the state where they get their education. My daughter went to Chicago for employment, but she loved Iowa. I think she would consider going to live there again if the right job was there for her.

I am not an Obama supporter, but this, I repeat, is bullshit. Show me the offended Iowans.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:03 PM
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19. I don't see what's wrong with this either
I specifically remember a government teacher encouraging us to register to vote in the city where the university was. I knew a lot of out of towners/staters that changed their registration. They pretty much stayed in the town the whole year, except a few weeks during vacations (most took summer classes). :shrug:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:06 PM
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22. "Show me the offended Iowans"
Ask and you shall receive. Here are just a few of them and they aren't taking too lightly to this stunt:



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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:47 PM
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8. Um, Hypocritical Hillaryworld is doing the same thing. Nice of you to leave that part out.
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 08:08 PM by ClarkUSA
The Obama campaign contends that it’s doing nothing unusual — that Iowa college students have long caucused near their colleges.
And a separate Register news article quoted Iowa Secretary of State Michael Mauro as saying of the Obama instructions: “I think it's playing within the
rules.”

A Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign official said: “We are not courting out-of-staters. The Iowa caucus ought to be for Iowans.”

In fact, Clinton is counting on the support of some out-of-state students attending Iowa universities. Sarah Sunderman of Iowa State University, who was
announced in a news release as a leader of the “Hill Yea” Students Leaders for Hillary, told the Des Moines Register in October that “she will drive back
early from her home in Minnesota to take part in the Jan. 3 caucuses.”


All of you Obama haters can now aim your outrage at St. Hillary or be called Hillaryous Hypocrites.

*crickets*

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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:49 PM
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11. double standards and hypocrisy are standard operating procedures for Clinton supporters
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:02 PM
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18. It's the same operating procedure of the Clinton campaign.
Rotten fruit does not fall far from the tree.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:49 PM
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12. Hillarites are Hillaryously desperate.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:00 PM
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15. St. Hillary is going to hell in a handbasket in Iowa so of course they are desperate.
Hillaryously so.


And smearing Obama is the only way they can find to support Hillary because they cannot defend her on the issues.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:08 PM
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24. Meanwhile...
Didn't I read something fairly recently about Hillary saying that reTHUGs were also welcome to come and caucus for her?

Not illegal, presumably, but it doesn't "look good," as someone else here commented.

:rofl:


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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:15 PM
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35. Oh, right! I forgot about that. It's hard to keep up with their crap.
Let's face it, the Clintons are sleezebag politicians. Hypocrisy is thy name, Hillary.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:47 PM
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9. You Clinton fans are kinda desperate lately!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:15 PM
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30. Clinton fans are desperate? If this was about Hillary there would be 75 threads on it by now
all with 150 recommendations apiece!
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 07:53 PM
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14. Will guarantee you that Clinton and the rest will follow. Especially b/c its legal and SMART. nm
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:02 PM
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17. This doesnt bode well for Obama. A Chris Dodd spokesperson condemned Barack for it in that article
From the same article today:

Chris Dodd for President Iowa State Director Julie Andreeff Jensen said in a statement on Saturday:

“I was deeply disappointed to read today about the Obama campaign's attempt to recruit thousands of out-of-state residents to come to Iowa for the caucuses. ... ‘New Politics’ shouldn't be about scheming to evade either the spirit or the letter of the rules that guide the process. That may be the way politics is played in Chicago, but not in Iowa."
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:08 PM
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23. Hmmm... it seems the Iowa Secretary of State disagrees with Dodd.
The Obama campaign contends that it’s doing nothing unusual — that Iowa college students have long caucused near their colleges. And
a separate Register news article quoted Iowa Secretary of State Michael Mauro as saying of the Obama instructions: “I think it's playing within the rules.”
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 08:08 PM
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25. Actually, Yepsen is dead wrong about this being the 'first' time...
You all probably remember the little fundy college in Tennessee during the last election who enrolled all their students as Republicans.

Can't remember the name of the ditzy place, and don't remember what reporter exposed the issue.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:11 PM
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34. Looks legitimate to me
As long as the college students only vote once they should get to choose which state they vote in.
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