Huge Obama endorsement tomorrow? If so, who could it be?

word "maybe"?

He may have calculated Obama is the candidate of real change and the only one who can defeat her. It might be payback time.

Whoever it is (if it is) I'm curious...

You know.."Deal or NO Deal"

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He may not endorse anyone at all, choosing to avoid the Presidential campaign altogether. Couldn't blame him if he did.

:D

help hillary.

I laughed out loud when I saw your post. :-)

Because he felt it was Clinton's fault he lost the presidency?

Al Gore acknowledges, he made the decision to exclude Bill Clinton, he alone, and that was a mistake.

for one another.

Would help with that NY primary!

...and I bet there will be strong signals that Obama
will select Bloomberg as his running mate, if he
is the nominee.

That surely would bolster Obama and hint at an
attractive ticket that would excite Independents
and generate a great deal of excitement.

Bloomberg is liberal on social issues, for same-sex marriage
and he's pro-choice. He was a lifelong Democrat until he
ran for office. He's also spoken out against the Iraq war.

Tomorrow should be very interesting...

experience. He can't win without someone really seasoned.

Bloomberg has a lot of positives, but he has 0 foreign policy experience. I don't think that would help someone with Obama's credentials.

And he'd be too old to succeed Obama. I can't see that happening.

Wouldn't do a thing to win my vote though. I don't trust billionaire party hoppers.

I think I read earlier this week that Obama had gone to meet with Bloomberg. I might be wrong. I did not pay attention.

be the Dem nominee. He wants Hillary.

He's pretty huge

I could see that. The guy has good taste...he endorsed Clark in 04' (the only candidate who could have won the general election).

More than a few people think Michael Moore was the kiss of death for Wes Clark.

Clark lost because he didn't compete in Iowa. HUGE mistake.

He was out campaigning for Nader, spouting all that Bush=Gore crap. As much as I love his movies, I feel like he contributed in a small way to the fix we are in.

Oh wait, he already endorsed Hillary.

How bout Cher?

Hey, he's just about batshit crazy enough to do it.

:P

Possibly Ted Kennedy or Al Gore!!! Either one would be big...

Kerry asked Sen. Obama to whip up a little speech at the Boston convention.

And whip one up he did.

Hmmm....

I don't think he will endorse before the nominee is selected...

for the Dems and Schwarzenegger doing the one for the Republicans? If that is still happening then I don't see any way that Gore would endorse anyone yet.

And it seems to me he is trying as hard as he can to avoid tainting his climate work with partisan politics...

didn't make me all that happy either. Sure I know the Clintons and Kennedys are tight, I just thought JFK, Jr. was more dedicated to the environment and I don't think Clinton has shown me very much regarding his issues.

John Kerry & Ted Kennedy are close too... soooooooooooo! This would be sad because even though Kerry wasn't crazy about Edwards, this would be a SLAP at Edwards and I thought Kerry was above that!

Maybe I'm just not cut out for this political game after all!

Four years ago, Kerry was just beginning to see some fruition in his Iowa campaign. Two months before that, he'd been almost completely written off.

And of course he remains wildly qualified for the job all these folks are pursuing.

It could also be Gary Hart, for example.

Until this post and the link provided, I hadn't even heard there was going to be an endorsement.

I waited for years for him to run and still think his heart is in the right place and find his views close to mine. But I'm a bit more Feingold/Sanders and most certainly Wellstone!

And I'd love for MY choice to "get" Gore for sure!! My gut says it's not Gore but who knows? I don't dislike Obama, I just don't think it time for him. Regardless of what they say about Gore & the Clintons, I personally think the Clintons didn't treat Gore all that well. If Gore endorses Clinton, then someone SHOOT ME, please!!

I don't want you shot, for one thing!

You hit a tripswitch there -- Russell Feingold.

Maybe it's Feingold?

a neighboring state.

whether his plane can land on the remnants of the snow/ice cover in Iowa.

She said, taking BIG gulps of air!! I'm not beyond being surprised though!

It would be more likely that he endorses nobody.

As far as I know she gets perfect or near-perfect ratings from all the top environmental groups.

her all that much. Could be that it doesn't come up in the debates all that much. Probably MSM's fault, most Democrats are far ahead of Repukes on this issue as far as I can see.

See, it's good to admit you made a mistake!

Bill Clinton's record on everything else - she gets his mediocre record on the environment. (Mediocre because it was POOR in Arkansas.) The fact is that NONE of the top three have long term real records on the environment - unlike our last two candidates. They ALL now have good plans because there is a demand for it from the public thanks to Gore and Kerry. Of the Republicans only McCain, who has other problems, has a good record.

Any more than Lieberman was entitled to Gore's endorsement in 2004.

Kerry may feel that Obama's foreign policy people are more in the direction that he is in. I am sure that if Kerry makes an endorsement it will because it is what he feels is best for the country. What he has consistently said when asked is that all the Democrats are relatively in the same place compared to the Republicans who are night and day in comparison to the Democrats. He has refused to take pot shots at any of the Democrats - and this was true BEFORE he opted not to run. What is clear is he, like all Democrats strongly believes we need a Democrat - and no one has worked harder or been more loyal to the party than he has.

If Kerry thought that Edwards was best, he would endorse him. Kerry endorsed Jim Webb in the primary - because he thought he had a better chance to win and that he would be helpful on Iraq. Webb questioned Kerry's patriotism and his loyalty to the US (because of his 1971 testimony) in 2004! He also refused to shake Kerry's hand for over 30 years. If he doesn't endorse Edwards, it may be that he is less impressed with him having had more exposure to him.

You support Edwards, does it bother you that both he and Elizabeth have often volunteered negatives comments about the Kerrys and the 2004 campaign. Is it because Kerry has held himself to a higher standard, that you hold him to a higher standard than you hold Edwards to? Kerry, like everyone else, will make an endorsement only if he feels that one choice is better than the others.

In fact, Kerry has been in Africa this last week and is returning to a week that is likely to be busy before he and Boxer leave for the Bali environmental summit. http://www.kerryvision.net/2007/11/senator_kerry_in_cape_town.html#more and http://kerryvision.net/

quite a few times about various things and have never received a reply. But then I live in Florida and I just figured that since he's not running this time, my inquiries weren't that relevant. I have also called his office too.

I'm not one who feels John Kerry has anything to apologize for, and I only recently heard anything about squabbles the he and Edwards had. Don't take this in a negative way, but Kerry did chose Edwards for a reason and I don't think it was because he was all that enamored with him. Kennedy chose Johnson and living in Texas for a very long time I thought OMG, NOT HIM! These things happen and even though I support Edwards now doesn't mean I dismiss John Kerry in any way. Gore chose Lieberman and look how THAT changed. Of the 3 choices, Lieberman was the worst IMO, but my admiration for Gore remains.

FWIW, I think the Kerry trashing is disgusting. I went to see him personally and got to shake his hand, but what I always remember about that night was his "eyes!" I also think Edwards is different from 2004 and has matured more. After 2004 he went out and started pushing poverty forward and I respect that about him.

I've said before, those of us out here only know "certain" truths or half-truths because everything these days is so "controlled" and that's a real shame. Kerry couldn't even make a joke without some people nearly fainting, and to me that went way beyond STUPID!!

Having said all that, my main point was that I would prefer Kerry didn't endorse someone else because it would send a message that I might not like to hear, but it wasn't an indictment of Kerry. I also said that "maybe" I'm not up to this political game anymore.

I think these type of major endorsements do carry the risk of hurting people who have come to strongly prefer one of the other candidate if they are from someone who still harbors respect respect for the person giving the endorsement.

I think it is tough for the candidates themselves. Leiberman was said to have been hurt and angry in 2003 - especially as Gore did not tell him ahead of time. Kerry, who worked with Gore for years and endorsed him over Bradley, was said by Shrum to have been disappointed.

My point though was that I think your perception that Kerry is above that kind of pettiness is true. If he endorses, it will be because he thinks the candidate will be good for the party - and it is hard to believe that it would be based on how they treated him - he did endorse Webb - and that turned out to be right.

to Webb and was pulling for him all the way, but he has voted for some things that didn't make me very happy. Still, given that Webb was once a Repuke he gets high marks from me. It makes no sense that ANY candidate has to satisfy a supporter all the time, it's just not normal.

There are some politicians I will always support and John Kerry is one of them and do think if he endorses he isn't going to do it to get back at anyone. I just think it's the "perception" others will pounce on and that won't be good for Edwards. It doesn't take much to light fires here at DU.

We likely would still have Allen - and there may have been no Maccaca moment. We would still be in the minority.

I agree with you on DU.

I'm not sure that endorsements have a huge amount of impact, though I was surprised how many Clark people moved behind Hillary. The key for me would be the reasons he gives - He made very very good cases in 2006 for each candidate he asked people to endorse. His logic, reasons and motives are usually impeccable. For me the "migraine" endorsement would be HRC because of my own feeling that Bill Clinton hurt the party - even as he personally remained popular.

hop up an down as soon they come out, it's been my experience that so many people don't even know they exist. Ask the man on the street what AFSCME, SEIU, PDA, GLBT, IAEA, UFPJ, LCV OR EVEN Media Matters stand for and most don't have a clue. The list goes on and on. Some may not even know what MoveOn.org. Daily Kos and Huffington Post do. While these endorsements generate a kind of frenzy here and affect the people associated with them, millions out there seem oblivious to their significance.

But name dropping of famous people catch their attention even though they might not know any "particulars" about their agenda. Rupert Murdoch is a familiar name, but his association with the likes of Clinton may make some think he's a Democrat, when his real agenda is buying power. So it is with candidates. The Ron Paul mania is a good example too. A few words here and there and they only hear what they want to.

But when it comes to people like George McGovern, Robert Kennedy, Jr, Dick Gephardt, Oprah, John Kerry, Bloomberg, Barbra Streisand and these types I think they carry more weight. Still, attention spans these days are short and people don't always remember "who" they support. The name Bill Clinton generates a multitude of reactions and not all supportive. So I agree that endorsements can be fickle. But it's big stuff here and I'm guilty of over reaction myself.

Bill Clinton has a certain charisma, but has always been more moderate than I am, but I stumped for him and only later did see that his administration promoted ideas I now don't agree with. And so it goes.

And if the Clark people turn to HRC, I see many Kucinich people turning to Edwards and to a lesser extent Obama. So our initial excitement about the hoopla here does not necessarily filter down to those who vote, but are uninformed.

My gripe is about the constant push from MSM and their daily mantra of only a few and dismissing what the other candidates have to say. Debates don't have enough substance unless the front-runners slip up, or as the say "hit one out of the park" and that's the basis from which many people cast a vote.

I could go on, but it's very late, so upon reflection our discussions here have had a certain impact on others less informed, but mean much more to those who live in our world. I'm sure you've met many people who say certain things and you KNOW there's much more depth involved but you lose them when you begin to elaborate. I really must stop, but I have enjoyed sharing views without vitriol and animus even though we may have a few differences and perspectives.

And now it's time for :boring: and a :toast: to you!

but i can see him maybe endorsing after he gets back. but i just can't see it as making much sense to endorse anyone right now.

If I was an undecided voter, Timmywhore wouldn't be the one to convince me?

Also, Timmy is so close with Judas Carville that he's probably already sold his soul to Hillary.

On the October 14,2007 edition of the Chris Matthews Show, New York magazine feature writer John Heileman made this claim:


Mr. HEILEMANN: A guy I spent a lot of time with last year, Al Gore, before his movie came out and right on the cusp of it, just won the Nobel Prize. And there's going to be a lot of people who are going to want to get him into this race. There always have been. It is not going to happen. It is not going to happen. And he is going to endorse Barack Obama.

MATTHEWS: When?

Mr. HEILEMANN: Six weeks.


http://www.thechrismatthewsshow.com/html/transcript/index.php

Chelsea Clinton.

:evilgrin:

would be Natalie Holloway.

I'm not going to get too excited -- but I hope it's Al Gore.

:scared:

Nice but not exactly huge.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/676801,120107obama.article

see in Obama one of the SFRC colleagues in the race he could endorse.

It's an odd guess, granted. But Hagel's a free agent more or less and might be shopping for a future Cabinet appointment.

The Big Dog picked a New England Republican as his Sec. of Defense (William Cohen), so there is precedent.

definitely see Hagel endorsing Obama--they seem like two birds of a feather to me for some reason.
on edit--if he and Bloomberg still plan to run together, I think they want to run against Hillary, so he probably wouldn't endorse Obama just yet.

posted.

That sounds just about right.

Hagel sure has pissed off a lot of Republicans on Iraq. Which is odd, because he's pretty much right in line with them on everything else.

or am I just not looking in the right place?

:shrug:

A Massachusetts connection (Teddie or Kerry) then?

O8)

it dissapeared all of a sudden. I got the link from the Obama blog.

called Gore's people and was told it isn't Gore.

A strange lady in a lake with a sword?

Staying tuned. Obama could be a great president.

I hope it doesn't disappoint.

In that order.

it is probably an endorsement coming out of Iowa?

Gordon might be referring to an endorsement from The Des Moines Register.

That is the only HUGE endorsement that I can see Gordon being coy about. I think it might be too early for the Register to endorse though. I don't expect to see one until the end of December.

Thanks.

link

Not sure if there's anything to it, though. Guess we'll have to wait and see

Please.

Exclusive! The Vortex has learned from Obama campaign insiders that Senator Ted Kennedy will endorse the junior Senator from Illinois as early as Sunday. Kennedy has never endorsed a candidate that lost the Iowa Caucus.

http://www.intothevortex.net/2007/12/kennedy-to-endo.html

Wonder what's up with him and Hillary Clinton?? I don't think this is going to make her very happy, and perhaps it will send a message to MSM that they should "tone down" the Hillary Hype!!

If that is even a remote possibility - his endorsing the front runner is a no lose possibility. If she wins or loses - she is powerful in NY politics and this is a debt.

Ted Kennedy is more important and needs nothing from HRC or BC - even if she becomes President. If true, this endorsemant will be a disappointment for HRC and Edwards. The Edwards team in 2004 spread rumours that Kennedy was behind him - but Kennedy came out very very strong for Kerry. In early January, when asked on a talk show, he still supported Kerry, but spoke of how Kerry had a tough decision to make and that he would support him either way. He then spoke in glowing terms of what Kerry had to offer. He was then asked about HRC and while he was positive he was not enthusiastic in words or demeanor - as he was seconds before speaking of Kerry.

endorsement being all that great.

December 01, 2007
"Kennedy to Endorse Obama
Exclusive! The Vortex has learned from Obama campaign insiders that Senator Ted Kennedy will endorse the junior Senator from Illinois as early as Sunday. Kennedy has never endorsed a candidate that lost the Iowa Caucus. "

http://www.intothevortex.net/

I would not be shocked at all if if he does endorse Obama...

I do wonder, however, how much influence that will carry in the midwest. It can make a really big difference on the coasts, and with the more Liberal Dems, but I suspect the more pragmatic left-leaning folks were already leaning to Obama or Edwards anyway.



Laura

DSB

many times - even a week or so before Kerry opted out with a Senate speech explaining why.

but then again, what do I know? :evilgrin:

Des Moines Mayor endorses Barack

http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/IowaHQ/CRRB

"The real promise of Senator Obama’s presidency isn’t just the plans he’ll bring with him into the White House, it’s the visionary leadership he’ll demonstrate once he gets there. Barack Obama will put an end to the bitter partisanship that’s stopped us from making progress on the urgent challenge of global warming. He’ll tell the American people what they need to hear, not just what they want to hear. As President, he’ll restore America’s standing in the world and lead a global effort to meet this challenge once and for all."

:hi:

Lots of good endorsements today for all the candidates.

May the best one win!

but then again, I'm not sure if his endorsement could be considered all that big outside the state.

I don't see Kennedy getting behind Obama considering the kind words he's had for Hillary in the past. I know one link says it's him, but I'd still be surprised. It would be a pretty big endorsement and would add an interesting twist. I think it would be great if it were Gore, but it seems unlikely. I think he has settled in his own role and wants to not burn any bridges and hold some influence in a future democratic administration with regards to global warming.

Hmmmm...I'm looking forward to hearing who this is.

Hope it's really big.

Meaning sunday?

The only name Ive heard that came out today was the Mayor of Des Moines. While that is a nice endorsement, I was thinking of a huge national name. Ill continue to wait.

I also was thinking of someone with clout. If it's true about Uncle Ted endorsing him, then that's big. I will continue to wait also.

;)