I think the GE will be Huckabee vs. Obama. What about you?

It will be a hard fought victory for the Dems in a very interesting and particularly memorable campaign season.

but just as well could be Clinton vs. Romney

then Obama will win hands down. People don't want a southern hick baptist minister as President, especially after Bush. sorry to be blunt

But Americans LOVE their southern hick baptist ministers.

Sad but true.

after the BushCo years...I think the smart guy will win (unless the "good Christian" steals the election with filthy tricks like "good Christian" GWB did!

They will tell themselves that the new idiot is "different" (smarter, better advised, more moral. less indebted to cronies or corporations... whatever it takes to justify supporting him) than the old idiot. The rationalization won't even have to make sense. They'll just FEEL that he's the right man for the job cuz he's so "likeable." :P

Also, I don't think Huckabee is as dumb as Dubya. Which imo makes him all the more dangerous.

Nor would I put it past him to resort to the same sort of dirty tricks that Dubya used. I don't buy the Huck's "gosh darn ain't I a nice guy and a good Xtian" routine. But you know what? Most people will. Heck, most people still think George is a good guy, even as they disapprove of his presidency.

at least that's what I think today. I don't think it's at all likely that the repuke establishment lets Huckabee slide through. Remember what they did to McCain in SC in 2000? Guess who has key members of the bush 2000 team working for him in SC?

Though Guiliani could still manage to squeak though this whole paid for trips to his mistress.

But really I read that Vanity Fair article yesterday that was linked to in GD, and I just don't see regular republicans (not wingnuts) voting for this guy. The wingnuts won't vote for him in primary. But the non primary voters, the more moderate republicans, won't like Guiliani once they start learning more about him. He's definitely not a "values" person.

was the bills for his security detail. Instead of those costs charged
to police account, it was hidden in other departments do make it hard
to discover.

I also think it's likely to be Edwards vs. Romney. Though I do see Huckabee as the possible upset. So I guess I really have no idea, do I?

Who knows, though. Huckabee is being touted as the savior of the rethug's 2008 chances. Anything could happen.

but that could change (money aspect) if he wins big in Iowa.

No amount of money can buy that kind of exposure.

the republicans throw against her. You wanna lose? Then place Obama or Edwards on the ticket.

Ben David

Maybe it will break if you hit it hard enough.

Because what you're throwing out is opinion. Hillary could be the nominee- or not. She could win, and so could Obama and Edwards.

nt

...that's one of the reasons she is slipping into oblivion.

She will become an asterisc for this campaign after losing IA and NH

I do agree that Obama would lose though.

He's only showing REAL movement in Iowa. The east coast primaries will end the dream for him.

If he wins Iowa, he will get as much of a boost from iowa as Obama will. Huck is the type of guy who can unite the religious right. Falwell's son recently endorsed him. He won the debate last week on style, if not substance.

I think Obama/Clark would whup his xxxx!

this early.

and honestly, I can't tell who's going to come out ahead.

sHillary's 20 year plan comes to a dead stop, that's what.

Of course I don't think either will drop, because I believe they will be occupying spots 1 and 2 with Hilary a surprisingly distant 3rd.

But I'm not counting Hillary or Giuliani out, especially not Hillary. They are not going to go quietly.

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I said that somewhere else the other day and I remembered thinking ages ago that he wouldn't get far with that belief, hopefully. Now, I'm not sure it that's true. Have I maligned poor Mr. Huckabee? Or is no one in the MSM discussing this at the moment. I guess I should google.

so I doubt he gives much credence to the Big Bang or Solar System Formation Theories.

There are numberous statements where he's gone on record as blasting the separation of church and state.

their nominee) to win a general election.

I'd prefer that he not be on the ticket so our chances in some of the more competitive border states would be greater.

Go to your room.

He believes every word regardless of how unrealistic.

Dems win in a close (electoral) vote but the popular vote will hugely support the Dems.

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will be.

For us, I think either Edwards, Obama, and Biden could be the top of our ticket and that Richardson, Dodd, or Bill Bradley could be the veep nom.

It could just as easily be Clinton/Clark, Clinton/Bayh, or Clinton/Vilsack.

Edwards/Bradley, Edwards/Schweitzer/ Edwards/Richardson, or Edwards/Sebelius would be extremely electable, IMO.

Biden/Richardson, Biden/Sebelius, or Biden/Obama would be extremely electable also.

Obama/Dodd or Obama/Napolitano? Something like that. Or, Obama could shock everyone with an Obama/Jimmy Carter ticket. Carter is of course a bit long of tooth these days, but he's sharper now than he was 20 years ago and even if he were to die in office, so what -- we'd have the benefit of his service for as long as possible.

An Obama/Max Cleland ticket would draw a lot of cross-demographic support.

A Gore-Feingold ticket would be real tough for the Repubicans to deal with.

A Gore-Kerry ticket would unite the two men Bush cheated and which way too many voters rejected, thinking that a fake Cowboy from Connecticut would be a swell guy to have a beer with.

An RFK Jr / Alexis Herman ticket would be breath-taking.

For the Pukes: It would be better for them and certainly for us if all of their announced candidates left politics altogether. They're all Achilles' heels. When Bible-thumpin' Mike Huckabee is your most presentable candidate, you've got a big problem.

If the GOP had their wits about them, they'd nominate a John Danforth/Rob Portman ticket. As it happens, they don't have their wits about them, and Romney, Giuliani, Thompson, and Huckabee are about to become top contenders for their nomination. A frightening bunch.

Tancredo will stir the wind a bit in Iowa but he's gone on the stroke before midnight, January 4th, like Cinderella's coach.

I don't think Duncan Hunter is really in the race. I don't think Duncan Hunter KNOWS if he's in the race. I'm not even convinced he's a sentient being.

Ron Paul is a racist most of the time and crazy as a shithouse rat the rest of the time. Or maybe it's the other way around. I was never very good at math.

Paul is likely to make some headlines with his 4th quarter fundraising, but his campaign theme -- "I'm unstable -- send me money" does not seem like a sustaining idea for a long-term presidential profile.

I've posted on DU before that Fred Thompson looks like someone who wandered off the set of HEE HAW and can't find his way back. His impact on the campaign grows less each day and it wasn't that big a deal to begin with. Adios, Fred. Thanks for playing.

Rudy is a bottom-feeder. He's about to lose in Iowa and New Hampshire to either Romney or Huckabee or both. His once-solid lead in South Carolina has already begun to dissipate and if he loses Iowa and New Hampshire -- and he will -- he'll lose South Carolina as well. For the Feb. 5th mega vote, he'll still be on the ballot but only marginally in the race.

We'll need to put blue volunteers on the ground in all 50 states, in all districts, and press hard and shove back, but, that said, we're well-positioned for a victory in 2008, and it doesn't appear to me that there's much the Republicans can do about it, especially if they plan to stick with the sorry-ass candidates they're running at the moment.

That would be a stroke of genious

cliff-hanger, I supported Carter-Mondale against the elderly Boy Scout, Gerald Ford and his nasty little attack dog, Bob Dole.

I've loved Carter far more post-administration. He's a world citizen and I think an Illinois-Georgia ticket would pack some punch.

My prediction.

I hope that it will be Obama, but I'm not ready to give it to him just yet.

Huckabee is still way behind in every state but Iowa. Guiliani's campaign is falling apart, so I think it will be Romney.

There is no evidence Obama would flip any red state other than Iowa...and he is very weak in the northeast against McCain and Guiliani...

McCain would hold Bush territory and add New Hampshire...

A McCain vs. Obama race would be very shaky for Democratic prospects

The Northeast is going to go Blue, no matter who is the nominee.

Obama/Clark would add several states to Kerry's total. Ohio, Arkansas, Missouri, New Mexico, Virginia are possibilities, and more.

Clark is so strong as a VP selection, he could even get hillary to win, and that would take a miracle.

Clark would trump anything the Reps could muster with regard to foreign policy. McCain's service record does not come close to Clark's and as VP this would greatly strengthen obama (or hillary) in this regard.

Obama polls quite badly in the northeast...he may win there but not without extra effort and manpower...

Clark would help...though could be neutralized by a popular VP pick by the GOP

I think New Mexico will go Dem no matter who it is in the GE.

Wasn't it just last week that you had resigned yourself to Hillary winning the nomination...

What can I say?

I've thought that for a while. It will be an ugly campaign and will be very close. But HRC will win.

Huckabee could be a serious threat though.

Huckabible is not sufficiently anti-tax for the corporatists so he can't win the nomination, and his anti-evolution views scare moderate Republicans which costs Huckabible suburban woman support which might otherwise lead toward him.

The wheels are coming off Ghouliani's campaign with corruption charges getting more attention (I LOVE that Giuliani was just described on MTP as "a cross between Dick Cheney and Dick Nixon").

Hollywood Thompson is in a distant SIXTH place in New Hampshire.

McCain is in FIFTH place and falling in Iowa.

This will be a fight between Ghouliani vs. Willard Romney in February. Willard will win it as corporatists peel away from Ghouliani and consolidate behind Romney in fear that Huckabible might win the nomination and lead to a 50 state landslide for the Democrats.

possibility at this point in time. Pure SPECULATION to bet on ANYONE right now, IMHO!!

Not so sure Obama will get ours though.

Bernstein said the MSM is pushing Clinton and Giuliani, but both their campaigns are starting to implode on scandal. Tweety said traditionally the pugilistic candidates win, but he's beginning to think the nice guys - Obama and Huckebee - just might prevail which would be a breath of fresh air. I agree. On the Obama part. BibleBoy is really a nice man but he is preacher material and makes me nervous.

Now THAT would be a dream ticket! Have Hucky pick Chuck Norris as his veep and Letterman would be doing endless jokes that would have everyone laughing themselves sick for years to come

The mere thought of a Vice Presidential debate between Obama and Chuck Norris :evilgrin:

The big states still prefer each of these candidates.

Huckabee was very impressive on This Week with George. I am a registered Dem and I don't agree with his hard core conservative views but he did come off clear, intelligent, straightforward, honest and sincere. I think the Republican base will take to him once they get to know him and realize he can be a serious contender.

although Huckabee is a big enough asshole and a smart enough one, too, that he does have an outside chance of getting their nod, especially because the rightwing Christian "warriors" will all love him.

If Huckabee were running in the Democratic primary I'd be interested in his late surge. The GOP doesn't allow candidates not backed by the establishment to win. Huckabee doesn't have a chance.

The other possibility is John McCain moving up since the Rethugs are/will be getting the truth about Ruddy and Romney and he'll be getting the warmongers on his side...especially since the values voters have been tossing values out the window in order to win.

Romney is still a strong Bullshiter. We'll see.

Huckabee is moving up and he could be on the ticket.

Not even a guess. I supported Dean last time at this point. I learned that anything can happen.

feel like they could go just about any direction at all.

It's really even more unpredictable and sketchy than in 04.

I do feel that the media, though, are simply not getting it. They're doing their usual misrepresentations by degree, but basically, they're being reduced to a reaction machine instead of a propaganda-generating machine, which is kinda fun to watch.

...and it could all change tomorrow.

No . . .

I think Huckabee yes. But Thompson is the contender. He has Lynn Cheney's support - thus Darth's as well. And probably really hidden way down deep is the Rovesters.

So either Huckabee or the Crypt Keeper or Huckabee and the Crypt Keeper . . .

But the more I see the 'Right' pushing Obama, and the MSM shoving Clinton down the left's throats - the more I know neither one can be the nominee. Those people (the neocon rethugs) are evil and have got to have something up their sleeves in re: to Obama and Clinton. If Rove is giving points to Obama to win the primary - then Rove must have something really dirty to derail Obama in the general election.

I know Gov. Richardson's a dark horse, but he could shock everyone.

the ticket.

He's a good man and would bring a hell of a lot to a new adminsitration's energy policy, IMO.

For future comedic value.

nt.

Nah, it'll NEVER happen.

I think Huckabee is a hell of a politician. His ads have been clever, and he got a major steal in that endorsement from Chuck Norris.

Remember, these are republicans. An endorsement from a brain dead washed up actor like Chuck Norris is a big deal. Huckabee is slick, but not to the point where he's smarmy - like Romney. He doesn't ooze sleaze like Giulliani. And he doesn't look like the crypt keeper (Thompson). My sister watched the debate and commented that every comment he made looked like a movie moment - you expect dramatic music to be played in the background. She also said he scared the crap out of her for that reason.

I know Kos told people to look out for him a while back. Granted, he doesn't sound like he wants to shoot all brown people trying to enter the country (like that nutcase Tancredo), so maybe that'll hurt him. I think Giulliani's numbers will sink further with the recent allegations of his misuse of public funds to haul around his mistress. I just don't see the religious nuts going for him.

Romney seems like the one to beat, with Giulliani falling and Huckabee rising. I think Hillary has a good chance of whipping Romney's ass but I'd be more worried about Huckabee. At the same time, the recent poll showing Clinton trailing all the top republicans makes me wonder if Clinton's campaigning skills can overcome all the hatred she has for her - a major concern of mine.

go with the 'mo... This is my expected matchup:

Obama/Bayh vs. Huckabee/Steele

More nuclear and coal, ugh

Seriously they are all upside down about, how if somebody comes here as a bloody INFANT and later wins a merit scholarship they should not get it because they're damned MEXICANS and their parents are not legal.

If Huckabee gets their nomination, its goinjg to be a hard fight. Anyone else, Clinton will win easily.

rip-snortin' dogfight, and likely extremely close.

That's for sure. And the Dems will win, but it will be close. Don't expect a blow out, no matter who runs on the Dem side.

the Pukes will "lynch " him
If it's Hillary, the Dems will destroy her
I'm beginning to lose that confidence I had earlier. Luckily the Pukes have no one so we have a chance

and I want to see that race. Badly.

Hillary vs. Guiliani would be a nightmare for me.

Clinton is sliding fast, and it's only getting worse as she goes increasingly negative. The slime is sticking to her, rather than her opponents.

Giuliani is imploding under the weight of scandal. Mittens isn't going to get the religious right. Huckleberry is the only credible first-tier Republican who's left standing--assuming that he survives the smear campaign that's gearing up against him in Iowa.

In the general, Huckster is the only one who's even vaguely dangerous to us, but Obama can take him.

The good thing about Huckabee being the Repub nominee is that I think his "nice guy" persona is pretty much the truth. Even if he is a right-wing loon (and he is) I don't think he'd countenance or accept Rove-style attack campaigns.

and this rapist then murdered a 39 year old woman.
I just don't see the wingers accepting that.

As for Obama, I give him 40% chance.

So far, it's not getting much media coverage.

And fwiw, he didn't commute the sentence. He asked the parole board to grant parole. Which he now denies, claiming the board brought the subject up to him. Which is kind of absurd, but that's his story and if he sticks to it, it'll fly with people who want to believe it.

Hey, if right-wing voters will ignore draft-dodging, desertion, and drug use, they'll ignore anything.