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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:00 PM
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Obama slightly ahead, but "Half in Iowa Could Change Their Minds"
"Close to half of the Democrats and 61 percent of the Republicans say they still could be persuaded to change their minds. Campaign strategists figure that some holiday conversations with family and friends will turn to politics and that those discussions may well influence decisions."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071201/OPINION01/71201010
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:20 PM
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1. which means
If Hillary doesn't turn the trend in two weeks it will be great day for Obama.
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drbob99 Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:22 PM
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2. and means they are not sold on the Hillary corronation by main stream media.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:31 PM
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24. Yep, Hillary's not wearing well.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:23 PM
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3. Could is the keyword. I could change my support, but I'm not going to.
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 06:24 PM by Kerry2008
And your headline is wrong. According to the paragraph you posted, it's close to half of Democrats. Not half of Democrats. Not much difference, but being accurate matters.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:29 PM
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4. No way these undecideds will settle on Hillary... voters know everything about her and Bill already.
If they aren't sold by now, they won't be on Jan. 3. I suspect most of these undecideds are trying to decide between Obama and Edwards.
It's conceivable that Obama and Edwards will come in #1 and #2 with Clinton in third, especially given that Obama and Edwards lead
Hillary as second choice.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:32 PM
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5. Highly conceivable
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:32 PM
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6. Not from Iowa.
But I was undecided last week.

Now I'm voting for HRC in the NY Primary.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:24 PM
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17. I'm a New Yorker as well
And Hillary will never get my vote in the primary. She's used this state as her platform for running for President. She doesn't care about any of us.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:00 PM
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19. I disagree
But that's okay.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:44 PM
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8. All the negative personal attacks from Rudy, Barack, Mitt, and Johnny have taken their toll.
Professional hatred ala Karl Rove is very effective. Just ask John Kerry.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:53 PM
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11. Her problems have nothing to do with the candidate herself
It's all someone else's fault.

Damn them!
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:01 PM
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14. It's the "boys are picking on me" syndrome all over again!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:12 PM
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15. Damn them to hell!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:20 AM
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27. You're claiming Obama's constant negative personal attacks have had no effect?
Is he really that ineffectual?
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:39 PM
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7. Not good news for Clinton.
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 06:40 PM by calteacherguy
Many people made up thier minds about her years ago. I doubt many of the ones who say they still could change would be changing their mind to Clinton at this point.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:58 PM
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12. I agree. This tells me Hillary's free fall in Iowa isn't over yet. Look out below!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:00 PM
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13. Gee...for an example of how you are wrong...look in a mirror...
Just 1 short month ago Hillary was your candidate...and before that Kucinich was it?
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:37 PM
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25. Never Kucinich.
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 11:39 PM by calteacherguy
It's been Clark - Clinton (for two weeks after Clark endorsed her) - Obama.

What, people aren't allowed to change their minds? I guess Hillary supporters believe in the fossilization of opinions.

Tell me, when a Cliton canvasser finds an Obama supporter in Iowa who was previously a Clinton supporter, do they subject them to petty, jealous ridicule? Great way to win votes. Keep it up!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:11 AM
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26. You make a ridiculous point...
About the solidification of Hillary's support...when it is contradicted by your own example...

And then provide yet another example...

Which is it, her support is set in stone or isn't it?
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:48 PM
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9. Obama will win Iowa. nt
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:16 PM
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22. He has a good shot, but then again so does Edwards.
And Richardson could still shock and narrowly win it. Hillary has a hard road to hoe with her negatives.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:50 PM
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10. With so many undecided and with such strong downward momentum, I'm starting to believe Hillary = 4th
The Richardson and Biden folks have been saying that their guy will sneak into 3rd. I have been dismissing that possibility, but who is to say where Hillary hits bottom in Iowa?

She's still headed downward. She has poor 2nd choice support. It could be a bloodbath in Iowa for Hillary.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:20 PM
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16. Hillary will be first or second. Bet on it.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:30 PM
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18. Not 1st in a million years. Maybe 2nd, but I doubt it. 3rd probably. 4th increasingly possible.
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 07:34 PM by Stop Cornyn
The trends for Hillary are as bad as they were for Gephardt.

Hillary is doing TERRIBLY in terms of 2nd choice support.

It's a perfect storm of failure.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:07 PM
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20. She could finish as low as 4th. Someone from the second tier will rise and overtake her.
Richardson has the best chance to do this.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:13 PM
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21. This thing is wide open. The first place slot in this poll (Obama) only has 28%.
A significant percentage can still change their minds. Anyone in the top 4 in this poll could conceivably win Iowa. All the candidates have vulnerabilites that will mean they have to fight like hell to win this state.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:25 PM
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23. That can only HELP Obama since people don't know him as well they know Hillary
and people either hate her or love her. Obama's numbers are rising the longer the race goes on. The opposite is true with Hillary.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:53 AM
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28. Iowa: 1st Edwards, 2nd Obama, fight for 3rd Richardson vs. Biden vs. Hillary.
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