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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:49 PM
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Clinton to Call for Freeze on Foreclosures & 5 Year Freeze on ARM rates
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 07:55 PM by Karmadillo
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119663648146011092.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Clinton to Call for Freeze on Foreclosures
By CHRISTOPHER COOPER
December 2, 2007 6:30 p.m.

WASHINGTON -- In a sign that the housing crunch is increasingly resonating on the campaign trail, Sen. Hillary Clinton is expected to call Monday for a 90-day moratorium on home foreclosures, as well as a five-year freeze on the rates of adjustable mortgages -- an idea the Bush administration is already considering.

The Democratic presidential frontrunner's move signals a likely priority shift for political candidates, from one dominated by foreign affairs and domestic issues such as health insurance to one that more directly addresses the economic health of individual Americans. High oil prices, plummeting home values and an increasingly volatile stock market are making consumers nervous, and a credit crunch has them fretting about their personal liquidity.

"I think it's inevitable" that the political conversation will turn more sharply toward economic issues, as the campaigns move into 2008, Mrs. Clinton said in an interview. "There's just too many factors converging here."

Up to now, though, most of the rhetoric regarding subprime loans and skyrocketing foreclosure rates have come from the Democratic candidates. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has been at the vanguard of the political conversation, proposing early on that bankruptcy laws be loosened to make it easier for homeowners to seek protection from creditors, that mortgage and credit card companies be more tightly regulated to ensure they aren't gouging consumers and that public money be used to help out homeowners who are in danger of losing their houses. Mrs. Clinton has made similar calls for reform as well; in August, she called for legislation banning prepayment penalty riders on mortgage products and to disclose more details about broker commissions.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:55 PM
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1. this is a very good thing
hopefully it will put pressure on bushco. Good for Clinton. k&r
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:05 PM
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3. Agree wholeheartedly. nm
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:11 AM
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14. Why?
What makes it such a good thing?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:23 AM
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17. It isn't good at all because it's a BushCo idea. So much for the macroeconomic "experts" at DU...
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 01:37 AM by ClarkUSA
You have good instincts, Wolsh.

Experts see Bush mortgage fix as a bandage
Freezing adjustable rates won’t stop many foreclosures, they say

Sun., Dec. 2, 2007

WASHINGTON - If lenders temporarily freeze low introductory interest rates on home loans made to risky borrowers before they soar, it would be a modest fix for the country's fractured housing market.

The problems are so far-reaching, analysts say, that an emerging Bush administration-backed plan — nicknamed "teaser-freezer" by one economist — won't spare many borrowers, or bankers, from the pain of escalating foreclosures and defaults.

Edward Yardeni, an economist who runs Yardeni Research in Great Neck, N.Y., called the plan "better than doing nothing," but added that it is "not necessarily going to make a big dent in the foreclosure problem that's facing us" because thousands of borrowers still might not be able to make their monthly payments.

As a result, the plan, which could be announced as soon as this week, is unlikely to quell worries that the housing market's ongoing problems will drag the economy into a recession.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22068498/


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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:02 PM
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2. Good for Clinton and Edwards. All our candidates should be addressing this issue.
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 08:04 PM by Benhurst
Recommended :kick: #2
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:05 PM
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4. Glad to hear it. Although we need to stop the
bleeding way before the next election.I don't expect much more than crocodile tears from the White House.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:16 PM
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5. Good.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:41 PM
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6. So instead of a rash of foreclosures...
...we have a rash of bank failures? Somebody (probably lots of people) are going to have to pay the piper for the extent to which we've been living beyond our means.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:03 PM
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7. I want a 5-year freeze on my apartment rent, then
Those of us who didn't buy homes above our means shouldn't be left out of government largesse.

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opusprime Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:15 PM
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8. Oh brother...
Think about this one guys. This is NOT a good idea, and it wont save anyone.

This process is already started, and there is no way to stop it. The Fed and the treasury allowed home values to inflate by allowing predatory lending practices, and unregulated credit expansion.

It has to contract. Putting a moratorium on foreclosures is ridiculous if not comical.

This would be like throwing gas on the fire. What happens to the banks when everybody stops paying their mortgages? And if the bank cant foreclose, why pay?

The system is poisoned, and the only way to get the poison out is go through the process.

You think Iraq is a long hard slog, wait till you see what is coming on the economic front. It aint going to be pretty.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:51 AM
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9. I don't know if I agree with a freeze on ARM rates, perhaps allow an
adjustment up to the rate of a conventional mortgage. Some of those ARM rates are ridiculously low. Of course, there will be people who can't afford the mortgage with a conventional rate. Those are the people who shouldn't have gotten a mortgage in the first place. That is the lenders fault, not the buyers.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:55 AM
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10. I don't see the point of this. Where is the accoutability?
Nobody forced people to take on ARM's or to buy houses they couldn't afford. Bailing them out, at the risk of bank failures, is an absurd idea.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:05 AM
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11. how do you put a freeze on the ARM rates?
Wouldn't that create millions if not billions of losses in bank industry loans. I can see doing something to force lenders to negotiate with owners on an individual basis so they can determine who they want to extend risk and who they need to foreclose.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:10 AM
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13. Banks would have more losses from a surge in defaults caused by
rising rates.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:10 AM
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12. I don't see this as such a great idea
People who bought or refinanced w/ARMs knew what was coming in the future. These low interest loans weren't going to last forever.

What about the folks who actually paid down their debt in the 36-48 months of their ARM and then refinanced w/in the time limit? Do we get some sort of a break too?

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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:13 AM
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15. There is a question as to the lending practices of banks.
Were they honest? Did they present all information to borrowers honestly and fairly?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:24 AM
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18. I can't get on board with this...
as a person about to buy my first house, stupid home buyers hurt everyone. They had a responsibility to know what they were getting into before they signed on the dotted line. Now everyone else, and the banks have to pay for their stupidity?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:25 AM
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19. Was it the banks or some of these FBN lenders?
Folks who allowed people to borrow up to 80% of the appraised (not assessed) value of their homes while they carried revolving (credit card and auto loans) debt.

At what point is too much debt too much debt?

But, shouldn't the borrower be held somewhat responsible to know how much debt they can take on (at what percentage rate)? Thinking through the potential of a job loss or medical emergency?(I know we can't all predict the future - but there should be some planning involved).

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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:34 AM
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21. Oh I agree that there should be some personal responsibility.
However, I recognize how bad economic conditions are for many out there. They don't have a few hundred every month to set aside for emergencies. They are desperately trying to get by and I think some lenders who were under tremendous pressure to increase the loan portfolios took advantage of them. In many cases, the lenders packaged these mortgages as mortgage backed securities and sold them in the credit markets to sell off the risk so they weren't caught holding the bag. It created a irresponsible and reckless lending practices.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:44 AM
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22. That is going to crash down on top of all of us.
I can already see it in my husband's business. When his clients don't pay their bills it makes it hard for us to pay ours. (which in turn makes it hard for our creditors to pay their bills and soon on).

It sucks because we did it right. Refinanced and paid off our debt. Watched our spending and credit scores and close to the end of the ARM locked in an even lower rate (I really worked that BS FICO score!).

Now, even though our housepayment can easily be made, with not much money coming into our home it makes it hard to pay the other bills.

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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 02:01 AM
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24. Indeed. While it is all well and good to say...
"Let's just let this bubble burst however it will and fuck everybody." that really isn't a practical solution. That's the problem with economic bubbles. When they burst they don't just hit the irresponsible. That's why the government has to come in in the first place and stop them from occurring.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 02:06 AM
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25. So True...
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 02:09 AM by 1corona4u
I took an 80/20, 100% financing loan, with 7% rate on the first, and a 14.9!% on the 20%.(stated income) I had money, but I didn't want to use it for a down, I wanted to use it to upgrade the floors, appliances, screen house, etc. I bit the bullet and did it for about 18 months, then looked for a refi. I got 100% financing, on a new loan. 7%, 2 yr. arm. I knew I was not going to be comfortable with that, so before the arm came due, I did a refi, got a 30yr fixed, at 6%, no prepay penalty.

In the process, I was able to take about $30K out of it, and still be left with about $60K in equity, because of the bubble. A lot of people also went out and used their homes as a credit account, taking money out of the equity, so right now, those people are upside down on their house. My neighbor, who moved in right at the end of the bubble, is $50K upside down. He's not going to be able to sell for a long, long, time.

The other thing that people don't talk about is, that during that time, you could get a loan anywhere, and they didn't care, because they never intended to hold your loan. They just kept it a month or two, then sold it to another bank. Happened to me all 3 times. So, the original lenders are the ones who started this whole thing, selling off mortgages, because they were never worried about the buyers ability to pay.

Fortunately, I knew when to say when, and I still have about $40K in equity. But, you're right Debi, you have to think ahead. People probably never thought it through, or maybe they didn't think they could do a refi, but, unfortunately, as someone else said, we will all pay for it, with increased cost down the road.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:16 AM
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16. Um, this wasn't Hillary's idea - she's piggybacking Bush's Treasury Sec. (excuse the mortgage pun)
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 01:20 AM by ClarkUSA
Paulson Crafts Subprime Deal to Prevent Second Bush Recession
By Kevin Carmichael and Rich Miller

Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, struggling to prevent a second recession in the presidency of George W. Bush, will today discuss plans to keep troubled subprime borrowers from losing their homes.

The Treasury is negotiating with lenders to fix interest rates on some mortgages to prevent a surge in defaults as borrowing costs on 2006 loans rise from initially low rates. Paulson speaks at a conference in Washington at 10:30 a.m.

Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke are concerned that falling home values will throttle consumer spending, which has driven much of the six-year expansion. By heading off further deterioration in the $11.5 trillion mortgage market, officials are also aiming to stem losses on securities backed by subprime loans.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aOOocR6F4wSM&refer=home


And it appears that the idea may only be a bandage measure that will not stop the bleeding:

Experts see Bush mortgage fix as a bandage
Freezing adjustable rates won’t stop many foreclosures, they say

Sun., Dec. 2, 2007

WASHINGTON - If lenders temporarily freeze low introductory interest rates on home loans made to risky borrowers before they soar, it would be a modest fix for the country's fractured housing market.

The problems are so far-reaching, analysts say, that an emerging Bush administration-backed plan — nicknamed "teaser-freezer" by one economist — won't spare many borrowers, or bankers, from the pain of escalating foreclosures and defaults.

Edward Yardeni, an economist who runs Yardeni Research in Great Neck, N.Y., called the plan "better than doing nothing," but added that it is "not necessarily going to make a big dent in the foreclosure problem that's facing us" because thousands of borrowers still might not be able to make their monthly payments.

As a result, the plan, which could be announced as soon as this week, is unlikely to quell worries that the housing market's ongoing problems will drag the economy into a recession.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22068498/

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:27 AM
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20. I don't see how freezing the rates will improve things
And freezing foreclosures for 90 days, is just a minor stay of the inevitable eviction.

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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:47 AM
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23. Good for her.
She's acting very presidential IMO.
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