Clinton's campaign attacks Obama on kindergarten essay

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1207/Ambition.html

What a ridiculous line of attack.

It's pathetic.

He must be pretty smart.

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even back then. I doubt my kindergarten teacher remembers me.

That is one of the most pathetic things I've seen. Srsly.

What a bunch of bozos... :clown:

Then I saw - no - Hillary actually thought this was a legitimate line of attack. The movie about the Clintons during this phase of the primaries
should be named "Clueless in Chappaqua" featuring Glenn Close as Hillary Clinton.

The others being in law school, then again 15 years ago, then again when he entered the Senate. All showing a pattern of Obama doing what he is criticizing Clinton for doing.

How do you spell hypocrite? O-B-A-M-A

When I was a little kid I wanted to be a police officer, a jockey, a boxer, governor of Puerto Rico and many other things. Would you say that's a early signal of hypocrisy?

C'mon, brother... all kids must be hypocrites, then.

:crazy:

They say all sorts of cute things. Don't you have kids?

now, not so much. Too much work.

for Hillary and her supporters. Very telling indeed.

while you were in kindergarten, and said it throughout elementary school, and told your high school guidance counselor you wanted to prepare to be governor of Puerto Rico, and went to college to study to be governor of Puerto Rico, wrote essays there about what the governor of Puerto Rico should do about Puerto Rico's problems, began a political career and quickly jumped from a first term legislative office to run for governor of Puerto Rico, then when asked when you decided to run for governor of Puerto Rico and you answered that you'd just decided to run for governor of Puerto Rico less than a year ago, I'd call you a liar.

"There's a lot that voters don't know about Barack Obama," Wolfson said. "And one thing they don't know -- we found out this week -- is that he has been using and operating a so-called leadership PAC, in apparent contravention of campaign finance laws, taking in money from lobbyists despite the fact that he doesn't take money from lobbyists... and giving money out to candidates in New Hampshire and Iowa to support his presidential campaign."


Obama defended the PAC ,saying it was established before he knew he was running for president as a way to help get Democrats elected all across the country. He said it was being run in accordance with the law.

"I think that folks from some of the other campaigns are reading the polls, starting to get stressed and issuing a whole range of outlandish accusations," Obama said.

Later in the day, Clinton's campaign seized on something else Obama said at the press conference-

defending his establishment of the PAC, he noted that, "I haven't been planning to run for president for however number of years some of the other candidates have been planning for it."

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/sprengelmeyer/archives/2007/12/pac_attack_and_a_kindergarten.html

That's a load of horseshit, that, especially since the theme is that Clinton is such a horrible person for taking that Big L money...

The best thing for your candidate would be for you to stop posting.

I'm not even sure that made sense. You don't think they're all a little ambitious? This is the POTUS for christs sakes. You're missing the point.

Whatever became of *dignity*?

Obama.

You might want to make sure you know how to spell the Man's name.

...then I'll watch you attack the sources.

:scared:

Which isn't relevant really. Is it true?

In kindergarten he wrote the essay. THEN he went into politics. Then, when he got attention for a good speech, he went for the presidency.

But the thought never crossed his mind. And he never positioned himself so that it COULD happen.

Pull the other one.

over something he wrote in KINDERGARDEN!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that is beyong hilarious.

And yes. It would be hil-arious, if it weren't so fucking pathetic.

President? I used to too...God forbid I get into politics. HAHA!!

It's the reaction that's completely disproportionate. If he hadn't made ambition some kind of crime, it would be nothing to be upset about. But he made references to the ambition of a woman. Charming. Now continue to bluster and squirm.

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Soon to follow: a cadre of former Obama classmates who saw him....gasp....want to be president!

Hillary-ous!

Obviously, she is still very much a threat to your candidate, if she weren't you wouldn't even give her another thought.

When you attack your opponent on what he or she wrote on kindergarten, it means your candidacy is about to die.

An Obama win in Iowa is worse-case scenario for the Clinton campaign. I'm beyond amazed by how petty this attack is.

A trifle over-sensitive are we?

Shes is leading everywhere else. So obviously she is a threat.

:rofl:

Not like all those other icky insider politicans. Here's the full attack:

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=4468

Sen. Obama Rewrites History, Claims He Hasn’t Been Planning White House Run
12/2/2007 4:50:46 PM

“Senator Obama’s comment today is fundamentally at odds with what his teachers, family, classmates and staff have said about his plans to run for president. Senator Obama’s campaign rhetoric is getting in the way of his reality.” —Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer

Today in Iowa, Senator Barack Obama said: "I have not been planning to run for president for however number of years some of the other candidates have been planning for.”

However, the facts don't back up Sen. Obama’s claim.


Immediately after joining the Senate, Sen. Obama started planning to run for President:

"'The first order of business for Obama's team was charting a course for his first two years in the Senate. The game plan was to send Obama into the 2007-2008 election cycle in the strongest form possible,' writes Mendell in his forthcoming bio Obama: From Promise to Power...The final act of the plan was turning up the talk about a potential presidential bid, which was greatly aided by his positive press and suggestions by pundits that he run for president." <U.S. News and World Report, 6/19/07>

His law school classmates say that Sen. Obama has been planning presidential run for 'more than a decade':

“ccording to those who know him, he has been talking about the presidency for more than a decade. ‘It was clear to me from the day I met him that he was thinking about politics,’ says Harvard Law School classmate Christine Spurell.” <Washington Post, 8/12/07>

15 years ago, Sen. Obama told his brother-in-law he was planning to run for president:

more...

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One from when he was in law school? Two from when he was in freakin kindergarten and second grade? :rofl:

The only quote there that is even remotely relevant is the one concerning his campaign team trying to position him for a potential run for President after his election to the Senate. Of course, this was well AFTER Obama's speech to the DNC convention in 2004. By the time he reached the Senate, every pundit and reporter had already decided that he would be a formidable presidential candidate. His advisors would have been incompetent not to notice.

It's all part his MASTER PLAN that he launched when he was in kindergarten..

:rofl:

but he was not 5 years old in law school nor when he had that conversation with his brother-in-law. Regardless, the running joke in the senate has always been that every senator has thought about being president at one time or another. Pretending that it didn't cross his mind until recently is disingenuous.

It doesn't get any worse than that.

She really said something about a kindergarten "essay"??

(You don't write essays in kindergarten. If he did, he's a friggin' genius)

In the beginning of all this I expected the Clinton campaign to be the BEST. I mean, who could run a better campaign than the Clinton machine, right? They have some of the most respected political pros on the face of the planet. Fuggetaboutit. I'm glad and all, for my candidate's sake, but disappointed, too. This is some weak shit.

Woo-hoo!

Gobama!

Obama really has some skills.

I couldn't be prouder.

Which came at the end of a list of times in the past Obama told someone he wanted to run for president. This all started when the Washington Post revealed that Obama, who first said he didn't take PAC donations, took them last year. Obama explained that was before he decided to run for president. The Clinton campaign responded by showing Obama planned to run all his life, even back to kindergarten.

I just knew a bunch of idiots would say Hillary is attacking Obama for something he did in kindergarten. I'm surprised the Hillary campaign didn't figure out ahead of time that distortion was coming.

I first got behind Hillary because I was outraged at the unfairness of the attacks on her.I was starting to turn away from Hillary toward Obama because I thought he was more positive and she was becoming what I disliked about her critics. Now I don't know who to dislike.

Obama is in trouble because what he's claimed recently isn't the whole story. Also, a retired FEC attorney interviewed by the Washington Post said by involving themselves with the donation decisions of Obama's PAC, the Obama campaign may have broken the law.

That isn't,like many here are incredibly foolish enough to believe, an attack on what Obama did in kindergarten.

To even mention Obama's kindergarten essay was a really
foolish decision, because it leaves Mrs. Clinton wide
open for retaliatory comments that could really gain
some traction.

Why even mention Obama's kindergarten essay? It's like
making a really bad chess move and leaving yourself wide
open for a loss.

It was a stupid thing to mention AT ALL.

Talk about a dream come true for the Obama campaign. There
are so many great one liners for the Obama writers and the
comedians will have a field day with this!

or what accounts for an "essay" in Kindergarten. :-)

And Hillary is now a kind of wicked witch attacking childhood dreams.

It simply reinforces are the negative stereotypes about her personality, and give the Obama campaign free positive publicity with a "feel good" story.

Also she should make sure she doesn't come under the same scrutiny.

<snip>Politicians routinely use these PACs to dole out contributions to present and future supporters, to underwrite their own political activity, and to keep aides on the payroll between elections. In fact, Hillary Clinton's leadership PAC, HillPAC, has been one of the biggest of these operations.

he Post article did not state that Obama had broken any campaign laws, but critics of leadership PAC have argued (quite justifiably) that leadership PACs are designed to permit candidates to skirt campaign contribution and donation limits and that the Federal Elections Committee ought to rein them in.

Then does the Clinton campaign have a point about Obama? If so, it should direct the same questions toward itself. As the Post reported last year, HRC's HillPAC has operated in the exactly the same manner as Obama's Hopefund:

Clinton has used HILLPAC to spread money around the country -- $90,000 to Senate candidates, $30,000 to House candidates, $24,000 to gubernatorial candidates, $45,000 to national party committees and $30,000 to state party committee. As you would expect, HILLPAC made donations to candidates and parties in the key early presidential states of Iowa and New Hampshire.>
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/11/6293_hypocrisy_alert.html

At least they're that stupid to think we wouldn't figure it out -- like Bill saying he's been against the Iraq war "from the beginning". Does the Clinton campaign think
the American people and the MSM are going to swallow their BS lies and laughable multiple and sundry hypocrisies?

then you call other DU'ers idiots. :wtf:

Im sorry but thats the most outrageous reason for supporting a candidate I've ever heard.

Besides, Du'ers may have many different views but nobody posting here is an idiot. Going back to kindergarten and third grade is silly.

on edit: I forgot a word.

have a very good reason for supporting hillary clinton.

...but no more.

The nerve of that man, daring to suggest that he didn't
have his sights on the Oval Office, when he knew damn well
since Kindergarten that he wanted to rule the world.

What a liar he is.

First, there was Watergate, then Monicagate, now Kindergate.

Oh the horrors. Oh the shame.

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One of the most ridiculous attacks I have ever heard.

You can't make this stuff up. ;)

because they're providing some good material for the late night hosts.

Something tells me there will be more where this came from.

Link: http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/clinton-digs-in.html

had a great comeback.

That's gotta be one of the best comebacks in the history of politics! A toast to Bill Burton! :beer:

Hillary's camp has reached a new low - even for them.

Then again, I'm not surprised with anything considering the hacks she has on board.

Hillary nomination = most electoral risk for least democratic gain.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

May I borrow that for a sig line until Feb. 5? :toast:

No Charge!
:hippie:

I'm an admirer of both your wit and humor -- as well as your pithy replies to Hillaryous nonsense. :toast:

allow the only candidate that can best any republican get put out by false accusations and the press doing exactly to Obama what they did to bush in 2000. NOTHING. There is some there there with many of these unsavory people Obama has associated with and we better find out or we will see a huckabee or romney in the white house come 1-20-09

This is how it works, folks. obama's campaign put something "out there" Hillary is fucking her female assistant. John Edwards had an affair. It doesn't have to be true; it doesn't even have to have anything to it other than what's pulled out of some Obama's staffers ass. All obama's campaign has to do is put something "out there" and out-and-out lies become just an "alternative view.

This is the kind of campaign we're going to get until our candidate is chosen:
Obama good. HRC bad. Rumors of HRC true. Facts on Obama false."



Ben David

Hey, thanks Ben David, for showing us how smearing of an opponent is done around here.

Or did the Hilary campaign start floundering the instant it became apparent that she wasn't a sure thing. As soon as she was forced to start trading punches with Obama, she's seemed, I dunno, marginalized. Dare I say frightened?

And when I noticed that change, I realized something else. For all her talk about being able to fight the republicans, she's never actually had to fight anybody. Giuliani dropped out of the senate race and she ran against a relative unknown. Her 2nd term, she ran as the incumbent against the mayor of an NYC suburb. Both of those were in a pretty dark blue state. I'd hardly say those victories qualify for fighting credentials.

But what do I know, I'm just a hater.

Some might take if for snark and not pay it any attention.

That's too bad!

The next thing you know she'll be attacking him for being called "Barry" in high school.

If Obama fans had the guts to admit being ambitious is NOT a terrible thing, you wouldn't feel so caught and flailing now.

ALL our candidates are ambitious or they wouldn't have put in the grueling hours to make this happen. That goes for little Barack in kindergarten or anywhere else.


Ambition, however, is not being criticized in any of the others. Only the woman. It's somehow wrong for the woman to be ambitious.

Now, that's what I think is a terrible thing.

of Obama for what he did in Kindergarten. Not only does it look desperate and ridiculous, it looks mean spirited. Everything else they said will get lost under the derision. Wow.

Hillary did not "attack" anyone for an essay they wrote in Kindergarten. If you read the piece that Politico was referencing you will see it covered several different times through his life that Obama expressed a desire to run for President. Noting that he wrote an essay in Kindergarten was not an attack on that essay he wrote in Kindergarten, it was merely pointing out that it was lifelong ambition of his to be President, and it was an ambition that continued into his adult years.

I can't stand Hillary, she is the one candidate I am most opposed to getting the Democratic nomination in fact. But I view this story as no different than the "Al Gore invented the internet" story. It is one quote taken out of context and stretched to mean something it was never meant to mean. I want to confront our candidates on real issues, not this stupid crap that is nothing more than gotcha politics at its worst. Can we please go after her on real issues? Please.

Hillary is scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one.

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