A vote for Edwards brings a Hillary nomination closer .

Edwards doesn't have the support to go all the way.
As bitter a pill as this may be to swallow.
Obama is the Anti-Hillary.
He is the only one with even a shot at upsetting the apple cart.
You don't have to believe me
just think about it.

But the Edwards' supporters are extremely passionate. I'd say, If we win in Iowa, lets bring this message back, because then, I think it will be more effective.

I think I'll stick with Edwards

Obama is the Senator from my state and I like him

But, I'm supporting Edwards
If you are trying to get me to change my mind...the method you're using will not work

just adding my two cents
I have no method.

You made a post that many will/do consider rather provocative.

I'll take you at your word that you have no dog in the fight.
This is more of an observation.

I'm not necessarily offended, although I've noticed a few people are.

I would argue however, that what happens after Iowa will depend on what happens in Iowa.

ie: What happens if Obama wins, Edwards is a close 2nd and Sen Clinton finishes a distant 3rd.
Unlikely I know. But anything can happen, especially since the Caucuses are on the 3rd of January.
That's rather close to New Year's Day.
Who knows who will turn out, especially if the weather sucks.

I realize that Edwards still has a chance in Iowa, but if he doesnt win, and Obama does.

and so is every other "second tier" candidate

Except not.

AND YET, NOT ONE FUCKING WORD WHY OBAMA WOULD BE WORTH THROWING AWAY OUR VOTES ON HIM!

And it IS throwing away a vote to vote for the candidate who is NOT my choice.

Take your messianic fervor and stuff it in an orifice.

Nobody is calling each other names here except you. The words you use are unjustified in this thread and add nothing to the conversation.

She obviously doesnt look like Fat Albert. But when a poster who doesnt take part in the viscious attacks by both sides, gets attacked and called vile and scum, it pisses me off.

Someone doesn't like getting caught.

Shame, shame, shame!

The wingnuts are salivating to run against Hillary. If Edwards squeaks through Iowa, Hillary could still pull it off and likely will, then we face yet another horrible loss of 1980's levels.

Fuck that. I don't understand why we don't get out of this useless primary mentality and not think who can win next year.

Obama 1st, Edwards a close 2nd and Clinton a marginal 3rd and my answer is no.
I'll stick with Edwrads...I supported him in 04 and he still says what I like to hear

Edwards a distant 3rd and I may have to rethink my position...we'll see.

If the best I get out of Obama people is vote for Obama because he's not Clinton then chances are slim..
I mean...I'm not Clinton either. So, maybe I can vote for me.

though apparently the person below thinks that what the OP doin is vile and awful. So I guess i should respond by telling you that Edwards is a corrupt ass hole.

I'm voting for Obama for many reasons, one of which is his stance on foreign policy. While I want us out of Iraq, I understand like him, that an immediate withdrawal of every troop is irresponsible. I like his plan for withdrawal, and I like that he wants to meet directly with opposing nations. What happened to that old phrase, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." I dont think you will get that from Clinton.

Not only do I not believe you, I consider it absolutely vile behavior. You are telling me to vote YOUR way because my way isn't good enough for you. You are telling me that how other people might vote is more important than what I want for myself and my country.

The primary is for each of us to vote our own choice, NOT YOURS.

So now the Obama thugs are afraid of Edwards? What weasels!

So, tell me how come you little darlings didn't say that a vote for Kucinich brings Hillary closer? Or Biden? Or Dodd? Because you aren't frightened of them?

Scummy little mind games.

where do you get off calling me a "Obama Thug" ?
You have no idea who I am or what I believe?
I am not afraid of any candidate
I think they are all good people
But there is only one nomination.

I think YOUR AFRAID I AM RIGHT

but lately, the Obama supporters have been pushing me in her direction.

For a candidate who wraps himself in terms like "hope," his supporters are certainly hostile, underhanded, and nasty.

You are looking for something that is not here.

And you are dishonest.

I'm just another Edwards supporter a half-step away from saying "anyone but Obama."

Obama has the worst health-care plan, and he lies about it. Of the three contenders discussed here, I'd support (1) Edwards, (2) Hillary, and (3) Obama. Obama would be a distant third, but I'd still support him over any of the enemy.

The OP was written in a manner that tries to tell us we're all in this together in the fight against Hillary. It co-opted the attack language we use here on DU when discussing the enemy -- Bush and the Republicans -- and suggested, "Hey, it's US against THEM."

Well, screw that. It's not "us" and "them" within the Democratic Party, as far as I'm concerned. Suggesting Hillary is a "THEM" is nasty, and it's underhanded, and it's hostile, all of which seems par for the course for the sleazy supporters of a candidate who lies about his flawed health-care plan.

Go on, houynhmn. Tell me that the OP wasn't written with the assumption that Hillary Clinton is an enemy, like Bush is an enemy. Whether your dishonesty is rooted in self-deception or whether you're just trying to deceive others, the outcome is the same.

I mean go ahead and attack me too, and than deliberately not type my name correctly. That's a real grown up thing to do. If you bothered to read anything else the writer of the OP has posted in this thread, you would understand their intent.

I was guessing you took your username from _Gulliver's Travels_. My mistake.

As for attacking you -- you've posted a half-dozen times on this thread, and each time you've deliberately distorted what the OP said, and you've deliberately distorted the replies to it, all the while pretending to be some objective observer.

The OP treated a Hillary nomination as some sort of Bogeyman, something we're all supposed to be afraid of. Sorry, but I'm not afraid of that. I'm afraid of losing the general election to the crazy scum who decry the "nanny state". None of our guys scare me.

Let's try this slogan:

"Hillary is the only one who can save us from Obama. Without her, we're lost."

What do you think of that, hnmnf? It's hostile and underhanded, isn't it? It never makes an argument as to WHY Obama is skeery, it just builds a vague sense of menace, based on nothing.

Reread the OP. It's sleazy propaganda at best.

Sincerely,
ThatPoetAsshole.

the assumption that everything will be lost if Hillary Clinton is the nominee is not only insulting, it's a cheap and sleazy attempt at character assassination without a shred of proof or even a convincing argument.

at least the silhouette matches

Oh now quit! My side have yet to recover from your OTHER post!! Oh my mascara!

:sarcasm:

Edwards is my first choice, and after the McClurkin fiasco, I'm way more interested in an anti-OBAMA. And that's likely to be Hillary, even if I'd prefer it to be Edwards.

never though about an "anti-Obama"

For me, it is as if he was fighting to be a contender with me and then he fell off a cliff.

Edwards is far and away my first choice. But Senator Clinton is second and I'd have no problem supporting her. Obama- not so much.

The idea that all Edwards supporters would gravitate to Obama just to stop Clinton is just not true.

And welcome to DU.

who passionately support Edwards. Besides, you're not some all seeing oracle. Stranger things have happened than Edwards winning the nomination. If he comes in second in Iowa and second or a strong third in NH, there's no telling what will happen. Hell, it's not unimaginable that he could win Iowa and NH.

that I am right?

I said it was a bitter pill to swallow.
all I said was think about it.


Is "think about it" over the line?
I don't think so

that was. And you won't win any converts putting things the way you did.

that I am more dispassionate than average here.
I still think its a valid point.
You'll just have to believe me
I meant to offend no one.
I have no secret agenda

I still think the "your chosen candidate can't win" line is pointless.

At some point - so this doesn't happen - we might have to switch candidates to either Obama or Edwards so one of them can win the nomination depending on how thing's look before a certain date, which I hear is sometime between 1/26 (South Carolina), and Super Tuesday 2/5.

I'll admit that I dont like either Clinton or Edwards. I like what Edwards says, but like many, I'm not sure I trust him for saying it. If you ask me to give examples, Ill be hard pressed to find any, but sometimes people rub you the wrong way. That said, if it came down to Clinton or Edwards, Id probably go with Edwards because I think he has the best chance to win in the general, even if he was a weak VP candidate in 04.

If Edwards wins Iowa, or comes a close second to Hillary, then he can keep his campaign going thru February 5th.

But if Obama wins Iowa, or if he gets more votes than Edwards, then Edwards will need some kind of a miracle.

In any event, Edwards delegates are unlikely to help Hillary if it comes down to the Convention in Denver.

Right now I think we should all try to keep an open mind about who the nominee should be.

Most of us here on DU have a favorite candidate, but that doesn't mean we should stop paying attention.

If my first choice has zero chance, I want to keep open the option of switching to another candidate.

:kick:

The caucuses are the 3rd of January (I'm pretty sure) and that's really close to New Year's Day.

What will be the mood to attend a caucus on the 3rd?

In addition, what if the waether sucks really bad -- who will go out in the weather?

There are a lot of if's that play into this.

=)

when it didn't begin civil?

Remember, it's Change You Can BelizZZzzzZZZzzzzZZZzzz...

Even though, I admit it, Edwards scares the shit out of me. :P

Yeah, "Hillary is collapsing" ..... uh huh. Sure. Yup. That's it. Mmmmm hmm!

She had to have actually been the Popular choice before she can lose that title.

Oh my sides are KILLING me!

:sarcasm:

Who would have THOUGHT that YOU don't like Hillary?? Why that's just a SHOCKER!!!

Double :sarcasm: w/ a side of

Sorry. I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton but I'm supporting someone I believe in.

Your comment is insulting to me.....and again, I do NOT support Hillary. Obama is actually my second choice.

read in weeks on this site.

You were joking, right?

I suggest we let the Clinton and Obama wars continue unabated. Let them savage each other, leaving both campaigns in shreds, and invite disenchanted supporters to cast their vote for ANY of the remaining candidates, all who would be better for the nation than those two.

Obama has a slim chance of an upset.
Edwards may win a few states but has nearly no chance of winning the nomination.
The more the anti-Hillary vote is split between the other candidates.
The more likely it will go as predicted.
With Edwards having the most support outside the Hillary/Obama showdown.
His supporters will ultimately decide it.
If they cling to the dream of an Edwards victory too long.
Hillary wins.


Of course I could be wrong,but thats how I see it today.

Obama is not the fucking anti-Hillary.

Seriously, people, look past the packaging. :banghead:

Nuff said?

If I was an Edwards supporter I would find this post insulting.

That Kucinich supporters should vote for Edwards in the Primaries, because Kucinich is "unelectable" as written by Edwards supporters.

Guess the mental exercise of this post requires Edwards Supporters to taste a dose of their own medicine....or/and become hypocritical at the thought that supporters of another candidate would bodly state that their candidate is also "unelectable"!:rofl:

I'm not being hypocritical at all. I don't feel I've gotten a dose of my own medicine.

And I certainly don't feel Edwards is unelectable.

Edwards in the Primary. That's that. To get me to change my opinion at this point I'd have to have proof that he secretly worships Dick Cheney and flys a Confederate Flag.

Who said Obama is the anti-Hillary???

I'm with Edwards until the end.

But the Edwards supporters have the absolute right to fight with him to the end. And I support them for doing so!