Is it time for Biden to get out of the race or is this just a "bump in the road"?

I haven't watched the news all weekend so I don't know if his latest remark is making the rounds. His past comments are a lot worse than the one he uttered the other day. Still, it seems he hasn't learned from past blunders (that is if you really want to call them blunders) and keeps a truckin along.

It causes me to stop and wonder if something far worse is coming.

I also have to consider if some of Bidens comments regarding race are not mistakes and merely strategy. Either that or he's like that uncle that grew up in another era and never got past it.

Peronally, I don't think Biden is that good on the issues. It's dissapointing that his mouth sometimes gets in the way and that's all we get caught up in. I think his latest claim that the Mexican government is irresponsible and that they don't want to create jobs is just pure ignorance. They have their Wal Marts too.

Well, it should be interesting to see how this all plays out as the next debate takes shape. As it's being played out in the public forum I don't think it's very clear where Hillary and Obama stand on the issues. Oddly enough I think Biden is a little cleared than they are even though I dissagree with him.

In that case I think there is room for the bottom tier candidates to move up.

more people listen to his remarks on U.S. foreign policy.

In crises, it pays to have smart people on your side.

Biden absolutely knows foreign
policy better than any other candidate.
Hell, probably better than anybody
on the Hill.

is the go-to guy for foreign policy.

Others are also good.

I personally feel Biden is tops.

There are others that are good but,
Joe sees the nuances in foreign relations and
that gives him a good lead over anyone else in
this arena.
:hi:

He got his Iraw war vote wrong and his latest comment about the Mexican government is royally ignorant. A lot of South American countries are hanstrung because of the WTO and NAFTA. It's effects are being felt here as well.

of the Foreign Relations Committee in the Senate.

He's earned his keeps.

it just explains how we got into the Iraq mess.

And for this guy to call Mexico the second wealthiest nation in the western hemisphere really speak to his expertise in this area.

his pals made a discretionary assault on a sovereign nation.

That's what happened.

If you've missed Joe Biden's record on foreign policy over several decades, you've missed a lot of clear-headed, brainy and revelatory problem-solving.

His point was, that Mexico, is a rich country, but that they don't share the wealth. Mexico is the 12th largest economy in the world, but only the top 1% get that wealth. He was specifically talking about the fact that it's time for Mexico to not only share the wealth with it's citizens, but to offer their citizens more rights, and benefits, to give them less of a reason to want to come to the US.

And, I'm sure he knows more about Mexico than any of us, being privy to more inside information and all...

Jim Lehrer interview a global expert like Joe Biden.

The longer that conversation lasted, the happier I'd be and the more I'd learn.

:thumbsup:

He's right about the Mexican govt...

Mexico has the same problem Jamaica has. Much of the stuff that is bought and sold in Mexico are US goods. All the money their economy creates gets filtered out of the country rendering their money useless.

Governments don't sit around and say, "I don't want to create jobs".

I like Joe and I want him in it. He will at least make the other three take some tough questions.

to make the top tier. Don't count Biden out until the end. Just take a look at how he was elected Senator. He wasn't supposed to win that race- he did it then, he can do it now!

but Biden seems to run at the mouth too much and it get him into trouble.

In campaigns that's devastating.

He ought to be working his ass off thwarting BushCo in the Senate. And so should Clinton and Obama.
Kucinich can't do it all alone.

Oh brother...

All you have to do is meet a small handful of specific requirements.

Biden meets them.

:hi:

they are topics for discussion.

that feel the need to speed up and run over any candidate they don't like.

some posters honestly can't control themselves.

to display on this forum.

Is the Jamaican government easily as lazy?

Tell me where I got it wrong.

Simply unbelievable.

-P

is moving up in the polls and dare I say could very well be the "dark horse" we look forward to. Joe drop out of the race??? My, what a silly post..

Is there any truth to this?

I don't think so.


“They’re being irresponsible. This is the second-wealthiest nation in the hemisphere, we’re not talking about Sierra Leone,” the Democratic presidential candidate said. “This is a dysfunctional society. ”

if there is no health or other personal reason? He will either gain momentum - or in most (or all) caucuses get less than 15%. The way the Iowa caucuses have a second round where supporters whose first choice did not get 15%, choose there next choice eliminates the argument that he takes votes from others.

I think that Biden is a very smart knowledgeable person, who doesn't filter what he says enough. Of the people running, he, Dodd and Richardson are the best on foreign policy. None of them have the presence or eloquence of Kerry, who is is at least as good on foreign policy, but who is not running.

Kerry's terrific on foreign policy.

Actually we have a very stout front line on the SFRC. I'm proud of them.

It's Lugar and his cronies who are gumming up the works.

and easily the most impressive on the SFRC. I intentionally understated my evaluation to make it non-controversial. Other posts spoke of "best on the Hill", not "Best on the Hill of those running" - so I thought it fair to mention him.

His 2004 MO speech, Iraq speech and the terrorism speech were exceptional - but his 2005 CFR speech and his speech in Northern Ireland were even better in articulating a comprehensive foreign policy world view and framework that articulated an idealistic alternative to the neo-cons. Kerry was shown to be right on every thing he said on foreign policy in 2004 - including Iraq, terrorism, North Korea and non-proliferation. Here's a Biden clip from earlier this year speaking of how respected Kerry is internationally. http://www.kerryvision.net/2007/09/biden_gives_props_to_senator_k.html

Biden also credited Kerry with speaking of the Nationsl security / international instability effects of global warning for 20 years and that he and others should have listened. (in a SFRC hearing on that topic where 3 and 4 star military people discussed their report on this topic.)

That conceptual view of foreign policy that Kerry spoke of in 2004 and 2005 was one that was consistent (but more mature) with views he expressed as a senior at Yale in 1966. Madelaine Albright in the book she wrote last year quoted that speech approvingly. It was also consistent with his call for America to turn made at the end of his 1971 speech and his fight against Reagan's illegal Cental American wars in the 1980s.

save for the limitations of the forum itself, in that there isn't TIME to assert all of JK's strengths -- in foreign policy or in any other area of consideration.

I miss a John Kerry administration because it would have been one which presided over an America I know and trust and value and not one such as Bush's, which is not an America I'm in the least proud of.

A missed opportunity is what it was, and there's more than Diebold and unctuous FOX news analysts to blame. Did you read DEER HUNTING WITH JESUS by Joe Bagaent? It's pretty good. It's a gritty look at what we're up against.

Biden may not place high enough in the polling on Jan. 3rd in Iowa to remain a contender. Nevertheless, I think calling for him to leave the race is a selfish tantrum, and that's what I objected to in the original post.

and on Senator Kerry. All I can say is that with all other politician, looking closer showed a less attractive candidate than the surface promised - Kerry was the opposite - the details made him better. 2004 was a real missed opportunity and I wish the media and party respected the dignity and grace that he led the party with.

I'll definitely read the book - I read the summary given on my County's library network and it sounds fascinating - thanks.

He'll get less than 10% in Iowa, and less than 5% in NH, according to the polls.

http://www.pollster.com/08-IA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

http://www.pollster.com/08-NH-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

The only thing that will change your prediction is if his single digit ranking in Iowa rises and he gets 15% in a significant number of Iowa precincts. If things - already nasty - get worse, all three first tier candidates can be significantly damaged. If this happens, who do the Democrats go to. It is unlikely that Gore is jumping in - neither will Kerry, the only other person with high name recognition and 5 absolutely impressive and inspiring Faneuil Hall speeches that I wrote as the basis of the run he didn't make.

looking at November polls for a January election may give the correct projection, but things can still change.

But no one cares whether Biden comes in a stronger third or fourth (or even second) in a "few precincts." Getting 15% in a few precincts in Iowa is truly minutia.

Biden's positive momentum will only come from collapse - major mistakes - by his opponents ahead of him, IMO. That's possible, but there are three candidates ahead of him, and all three are unlikely to collapse.

The 15% minimum by precinct means that he has to be at least at 15% to make a strong showing. I think Gephardt's and maybe Dean's numbers had to be impacted by that. (Dean polled 18% - if you assume a distribution with any sort of spread of the % by caucus, he had to have had some caucuses (cauci ?) where he was under 15%.)

Let's not forget that Biden has surged from 4% to 8% over the last week. Okay...it may not be much, but it shows some movement.

-Paige

you are just stringently against Biden. so the mountain you want to push that is really less than a mole hill. oh a mole thats appropriate... it is a non issue. and insofar as Mexico. Living much closer to Mexico than inthebrain. I can tell you that Joe Biden is spot on. Mexico has a larger discrepancy between economic classes than America and Canada. and the corruption is rampant. If Mexico were forced to stop printing map showing where to enter The US and started creating jobs for their own people. Illegal Immigration problem would take care of itself.

Hillary and Obama to do the same all of them have said and done things that we may or may not agree with

There ARE reasonable people here.

-P

Biden's my #2 choice. If Hillary starts to fall, I'm all about Biden.

that more people will begin to listen to Biden and not the pundits and their polls.

Just trying to get some work done here. :)

campaigning on a message board is oh so effective.

ones that voted for the Sanctions against Iran act get out of the race first!

(Dennis was the other candidate)

Not at all what I was expecting.