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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:10 PM
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Obama supporters say Hillary using right wing talking points on Obama. The opposite is true
Obama supporters are claiming Hillary Clinton is using right wing talking points against Obama based on this report from MSNBC:

Clinton will claim that Obama voted "present" among the highest percentage of Illinois state legislators. The point is that when controversial issues came up he ducked -- including votes on gun control in schools and women's right to choose.


Since when is the truth a right wing talking point? Certainly the RNC has done it's oppo research on Obama, but the fact Obama voted "present" on some very major pieces of legislation in an attempt to not be on the record as a "yay" or "nay" is undeniable and was known long before the RNC posted their piece.

It was reported by Rick Pearson and Ray Long in "Careful Steps, Looking Ahead," Chicago Tribune, 5/3/07.

It was reported by David A. Joens and Paul Kleppner, Almanac Of Illinois Politics - 1998, p. 81

It was reported by Nathan Gonzales, in the Op-Ed, "The Ever-'Present' Obama," The Rothenberg Political Report, 2/13/07

The Illinois Legislative Record proves it:

H.B. 3793: Senate Floor Third Reading, Passed 44-10-1, 5/13/98, Obama Voted Present
S.B. 759: Senate Floor Third Reading, Passed 52-1-5, 3/25/99, Obama Voted Present
H.B. 854: Senate Floor Third Reading, Passed 58-0-1, 5/11/99, Obama Voted Present
S.B. 609: Senate Floor Third Reading, Failed 33-15-5, 3/29/01, Obama Voted Present

Just look at the number of times this is referenced in Google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Obama+voted+present&btnG=Google+Search

HOWEVER, IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT by well-known blogger Dave Johnson at Huffington Post and Economist Paul Krugman that Obama uses right wing talking points when discussing Social Security

(A few years ago the right tried to go after Social Security and there was)... a determined defense by progressives in the media, on the blogs, and in Congress beat back one spurious argument after another, while the American people made it clear that they really want a program that guarantees a basic retirement income that doesn't depend on the Dow. And Social Security survived.

All of which makes it just incredible that Barack Obama would make obeisance to fashionable but misguided Social Security crisis-mongering a centerpiece of his campaign.






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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:11 PM
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1. Same pattern as a U.S. Senator...
Ducking out on controversial votes...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:14 PM
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2. SELF DELETE. You don't care about my snarky little comment, so I'll just delete it.
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 12:18 PM by gateley
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:20 PM
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3. did you leave a snarky little comment in the DU thread referenced in mine?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:08 PM
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5. Yeah, but it wasn't directed at you personally, just at the topic. As I said, you
guys have enough going on without some interloper throwing in her probably painfully NOT funny comment, so I yanked it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:14 PM
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7. you did? I certainly don't see it in the thread I referenced.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:23 PM
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10. You're right - I was thinking it -- that was my reasoning. Is there something
you want to say to me?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:51 PM
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12. Is there something I want to say to you? No. Nothing to say now.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:36 PM
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4. k&r
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:14 PM
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6. Hmm... Nice how Hillary didn't "duck" her responsibility on the bankruptcy bill isn't it!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:22 PM
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9. Like Obama ducked out on Kyl/Lieberman to go a-fundraising in NH.
98 Senators made that vote - but Obama "was surprised" by it.
We need experience, not surprise.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:28 PM
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14. Which is why I favor Edwards at this point...
Who doesn't "parse" his position like both Hillary and Obama seem to be doing now in a way that appears to try and ways of doing what their contributors want without offending those who might vote for them, or hide what they are really trying to do from them, and therefore "avoiding" taking a stance at times, versus someone who's really trying to work for and articulate positions that the grass roots want.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:16 PM
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17. Hillary was next to Bill's hospital bed during the vote
Obama missed a vote because he was campaigning.

The objecttive truth is that Obama skipped the most votes and many were on important legislation. More than Clinton.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:22 PM
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8. K&R!
Just to see some people foam at the mouth. Like polling right now isn't. :rofl:
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:35 PM
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11. K & R
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 02:59 PM
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13. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
K&R
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:11 PM
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15. wyldwolf, I admire your dedication to Hillary but she is continuing to sink in Iowa...
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:13 PM
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16. I think this deserves to be seen.
K&R
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:34 PM
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18. Stop!
All of you - take a look at the greatest page - what do you see? Hit piece on Clinton by an Obama supporter, and then a hit piece on Obama by a Clinton supporter. By the time this is all said and done - NO ONE is going to like either one. This board is mimicking the crap I see on CNN and MSNBC. The rest of the world see those stations too and let me tell you, it's leaving a mild distaste in my mouth. I have my candidate of choice, many have not, so how do you think they are going to react?

My two cents.

BTW - anyone got a comfy lawn chair?
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:37 PM
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19. But the rest of the world does not see DU
DU is just a pimple on the butt of Democratic politics. Most dem insiders never even heard of DU so don't give us so much credit for ruining the election.

Come nominee day we will all support our Democratic nominee whoever she is.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:34 PM
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20. I know that - I said:
"This board is mimicking the crap I see on CNN and MSNBC. The rest of the world see those stations too and let me tell you, it's leaving a mild distaste in my mouth. I have my candidate of choice, many have not, so how do you think they are going to react?
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:01 PM
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21. Obama talks the talk but doesn't deliver...
If anyone has been using RW attack tactics it is he. Clinton needs to slap him up-aside-the-head!

:kick: and recommend
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