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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:05 PM
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Why Don't Most Folks Feel That Voting For The Iraq War Is A Candidate-Killer?
The Iraq War was started despite zero credible evidence that Iraq was going to attack us, and zero credible evidence that Iraq had WMD. It was the single most important vote in decades; it was a pretty simple to determine the correct way to vote; and most Congressional Democrats made the correct choice by voting against war.

Seems to me that those who voted FOR war showed a shattering lack of intelligence and/or good sense. An incredible loss of blood and treasure has been the result. Why should these folke even be re-elected to Congress, let alone elevated to the Presidency?

Is this nation really so jaded that we've lost all sense of accountability? If so, then I deeply fear for us.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:06 PM
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1. Short-attention spans.
Rhetoric today means more than a lifetime of action.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:09 PM
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2. Because65+% of the "folks" supported the war when that vote was taken?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:22 PM
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17. Yeah, but that would only translate to 30% of democratic voters
which is hardly the majority of us. :shrug:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:10 PM
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3. Because those trusting people believed.....
...in their government and in those reponsible for supplying intelligence to the different branches of government.

A terrible lesson learned. What kind of punishment is there for such misplaced trust?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:10 PM
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4. It's beyond me nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:12 PM
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5. Depends upon 3 things: What they've been saying about it since - and
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 07:14 PM by patrice
Their chances of winning - and

My commitment to stay active in the process.


P.S. I've been in the streets on the war issue since the summer of 2002.
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ilovesunshine Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:14 PM
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6. I supported this war in the beginning...
The majority of our nation did too prior to knowing that Bush lied to us.




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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:17 PM
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9. But It Wasn't Your Job To Decide
You (and I) were going on snippets of info flashing across the media. Those in Congress had the job of making the decision, and clearly had enough information to make the correct decision - and most Democrats did make the correct decision.
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ilovesunshine Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:26 PM
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20. Those snippets and our President sold me...
I was wrong, so very wrong.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:17 PM
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10. Why did you support this war?
To remove an evil Dictator? There are about 30 more of them.


To free the people? Not defending Saddam but Iraq had better human rights than some of our "allies" We cannot bring Democracy by force.


Because of WMD? North Korea really has WMD, Where are we at?

I cant think of any reason why anyone would have supported the Iraq War, even in 2003. I never supported it. Infact I had a group debate in my Speech Class back in college in 2003, and I ended up winning over 2 other people to my side.
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ilovesunshine Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:25 PM
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19. Why? Because I actually believes this now moron in power...
I truly thought like most of my friends that we as the U.S. (super power and all) would be in and out within months.

I sadly watched as our soldiers took over Saddam's palace (home) and thought...

We're fucked!

I honestly thought that we, the U.S. would declare Martial Law, take out Hussein and be home by dinner. Boy, was I wrong.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:05 PM
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34. When weapon inspectors were in and proving force not necessary is when ALL those who
voted FOR the IWR for the weapon inspections needed to stand and speak loudly against Bush's push.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:14 PM
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7. I agree, that why anyone wo voted for IWR will not get my vote in the primary.
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 07:18 PM by TheUniverse
I will vote for one of them if they win the primary, but I want this war stopped. So Biden, Dodd, Clinton, and Edwards will not get my vote in the primaries. I will either vote for Kucinich or Obama. Hundreds of Thousands have died in Iraq. It is the biggest mistake this country has made since well... the last big mistake (Vietnam) I will not vote for anyone who gave Bush a blank check to go to war.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:15 PM
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8. I totally agree, just think there's a lack of options. nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:18 PM
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11. I completely agree.
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 07:24 PM by AtomicKitten
on edit: K&R :thumbsup:

>>> "When I am your nominee, my opponent won't be able to say that I supported this war in Iraq, or that I gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran. And he won't be able to say that I wavered on something as fundamental as whether it's OK for America to use torture — because it's never OK."<<< * Barack Obama
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:19 PM
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12. There are still millions of people who think that Iraq needed to be hit.
There are still millions of people who still think that Iraq was part of 9/11.

There are still millions of people that want us to hit Iran because they're the wrong religion.

There are still millions of people that think those ungrateful Iraqis are sitting on our oil.

Etc.

It is not a candidate killer because they don't see anything wrong with it.

If we were in Iraq, nobody was dying and we were just pumping the oil out all day, it would be seen by many as the greatest success story ever. The only reason a lot of people are *now* anti-war is because we're not winning and they don't like losing.

There's no such thing as winning a war, but they seem to believe that there is.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:20 PM
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14. Millions of people are stupid...
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:22 PM
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16. Stupid to the point of being dangerous.

Short sighted, greedy, lazy.

Stupid.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:20 PM
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13. Because THAT war is a symptom of a deeper one
and that's the bottom line.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:21 PM
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15. You could always support Dennis Kucinich, then...
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:23 PM
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18. polling has shown Hillary gets a majority of anti-Iraq war
people. Strange, huh? I bet the majority of Hillarys supporters were against the war, but perhaps they have forgiven Hillary and realize she is the best candidate for president despite her mistake. Anyway, that is my take as a Hillary supporter who also was against the Iraq war.

Basically people have different viewpoints and don't all think alike is the answer to the question.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:36 PM
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21. Who said most people don't feel that way?
When you have MSM choosing the front runners, (Hillary and Obama) anyone else has an uphill battle (Edwards, Biden, Richardson Kucinich, I missed some but) and who breaks through this uphill battle is where the real race is (in my opinion)- that is minus the media's influence. Now these days news during an election campaign is more of an advertisement. If anyone saw the Vegas post debate with CNN, you would know exactly what advertisement I'm talking about. Just my two-cents.


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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:43 PM
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22. perhaps because.
the media tells us that the ones that actually oppose the war are unelectable. then since the same media are creating any polls they manipulate the numbers of the polls to make them look unelectable. and since the same corporations now run the debates and probably are the ones that now count the votes they make them unelectable.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:45 PM
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23. It's a candidate-killer for me. n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:45 PM
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24. There were two candidates that voted against the IWR. One
would think that on the five year anniversary of the vote they might have interviewed those candidates to find out their reasons for voting no???

Makes sense to me, let's talk to the people who got it right when it mattered?

Instead the nation saw candidates who voted for the war explaining how the administration has done a poor job in managing the war, how they were deceived by the administration and what they will do now to clean up the mess.

The media does not help and most people either do not have the time or the inclination to search out facts for themselves.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:31 AM
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27. Correction....
there was only one. One wasn't even in the senate at that time. Speaking out about being against it, is not the same as "voting against it".
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:15 AM
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29. I took both parties into consideration and excluded those who
were not able to cast a vote. Their statements as to why they voted NO were interesting as they approached their conclusions from two different viewpoints.

It would have been helpful to the people if they heard from those who got it right the first time.

Instead the media chose others to interview :(
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:24 AM
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25. The "Yes" on the IWR is one of the major reasons that I am NOT behind Hillary.
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 10:25 AM by Hepburn
It is one thing to make a mistake....which she sure did with voting for the POS, but then NOT apologizing and admitting the mistake? GMAFB.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:29 AM
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26. Probably because that would leave
only one option...whom most of us aren't interested in....
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:33 AM
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28. Curious, did you vote Kerry/Edwards in 04? nt
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 10:34 AM by Skip Intro
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:25 AM
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30. Of Course -- I Should Have Stated My Question Differently
It should have been "Given a choice between someone who voted for the IWR, and someone who was against it, why aren't people strongly inclined to vote for the latter choice?

Thanks for pointing this out.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:59 AM
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32. Because I don't like THAT choice...
I can only speak for myself though.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:58 AM
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31. Because we would be left with one candidate.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:01 PM
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33. I'm just not a single issue voter.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:14 PM
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36. I'll Bet You Are - If The Issue Is Bad Enough nt
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:13 PM
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35. it's a surprise to me that more don't use that as a base
to judge who would be the best to lead.
I can't say what is the reason to dismiss the biggest ugliest most deadly mistake in our lifetimes, so easily. Most likely the sports addict rah rah my team no matter what. go figure.

Edwards and Clinton were an automatic No for me, no reason to ponder it, no reason to even slightly entertain the thought that they would be good judges if similar things come up in the future. They have proven that they are not leadership material. At least leadership for the people, they are probably very good at representing lobbyists, those are reall people too, I heard.

it's sickening and saddening how easily we forget.
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