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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:36 PM
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Obama Launches Iowa College Tour and Hillary's Attempt to Suppress The Student Vote
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 08:05 PM by ClarkUSA
After visiting Iowa State University on Sunday, Obama will be headed on a two-day college tour through Iowa. Here's a schedule of his events:

Rally with Barack Obama at Grinnell College
December 4 | Grinnell, IA
Link: http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/officialevent/4v4xm?source=eventcenter

Rally with Barack Obama at the University of Iowa
December 4 | Iowa City, IA
Link: http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/officialevent/4v4xx?source=eventcenter

Speech by Barack Obama at Cornell College
December 5 | Mount Vernon, IA
Link: http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/officialevent/4v4zx?source=eventcenter

Rally with Barack Obama at the University of Northern Iowa
December 5 | Cedar Falls, IA
Link: http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/officialevent/4vgtb?source=eventcenter

Town Hall Meeting with Barack Obama at Wartburg College
December 5 | Waverly, IA
Link: http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/officialevent/4v4x9?source=eventcenter


As Obama embarks on this tour, it's helpful to remember something: Campus progressive groups, including the College Democrats, have long made it a
priority to register students to vote and encourage them to get involved in city and state politics where they attend school.

This week, Hillary Clinton argued that Iowa college students, those who live and study in Iowa and have lived there for years, have always been able to
participate, but come originally from out of state, shouldn't participate in the Iowa caucuses. If Clinton had her way:

At Grinnell College, 87% of students would be disenfranchised.

At the University of Iowa in Iowa City, 36% or 10,800 students would be disenfranchised.

At Iowa State University in Ames, 30% or 7,800 students would be disenfanchised.

All in all, 21,000 students who live and study in Iowa, according to Senator Clinton, should not be allowed to caucus.


Undeterred by Hillary's Rovian attempts to suppress the vote in Iowa, Obama said over the weekend to students at a rally:

Don’t let people tell you that you can’t participate. You are an Iowa student; you can be an Iowa caucus-goer, and I want you to prove them wrong when they say you’re not gonna show up.


And of course, Hillary is doing the same thing she is attacking Obama about. Even Hillary's hard-core student supporters will be dismayed by her move.

The Obama campaign contends that it’s doing nothing unusual — that Iowa college students have long caucused near their colleges.
And a separate Register news article quoted Iowa Secretary of State Michael Mauro as saying of the Obama instructions: “I think it's playing
within the rules.”

A Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign official said: “We are not courting out-of-staters. The Iowa caucus ought to be for Iowans.”

In fact, Clinton is counting on the support of some out-of-state students attending Iowa universities. Sarah Sunderman of Iowa State University, who
was announced in a news release as a leader of the “Hill Yea” Students Leaders for Hillary, told the Des Moines Register in October that “she will drive
back early from her home in Minnesota to take part in the Jan. 3 caucuses.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7125.html


Both the Politico and the Chicago Sun-Times are highlighting an older report about the Clinton campaign's efforts to bring out-of-state students back
to Iowa to caucus. The co-president of Students for Hillary at the University of Iowa is an Illinois native:

And as reported earlier this year, the Clinton campaign was trying to organize students in a way we think is perfectly acceptable but obviously hypocritical considering her attack today.]But her student volunteers are working on contingency plans. Nikki Dziuban, a 19-year-old sophomore
from the Chicago suburbs, is co-president of Students for Hillary at the University of Iowa. She says the original caucus date of Jan. 14
would boost student turnout because out-of-state students like her would be “more inclined to come back if it’s just a couple days earlier
than if it’s right in the middle of break.” (Spring semester there begins Jan. 22.)


As a reminder, the Clinton campaign was the only campaign to aggressively recruit non-Iowans to the JJ as the below information evidences...
Clinton Campaign Recruits from Out of State for Iowa Jefferson Jackson Dinner: Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign, which is either ahead or tied
in the polls in Iowa (depending on whom you ask), has begun recruiting supporters from other Midwestern states to help build up their crowd.
In an email obtained last night, Clinton’s Political Director for the Midwest, Sean Johnson, asks out-of-staters to come to Iowa for a “day of
action ; ,” which will include a canvass during the day and — perhaps more importantly — a chance to waive signs and look good on camera
at the Jefferson Jackson Dinner.


Link 1: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/12/sweet_column_obamas_controvers.html
Link 2: http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=CD24A2C2-3048-5C12-00957B40A6837A9E
Link 3: http://cmondisplay.com/2007/11/03/clinton-campaign-recruits-from-out-of-state-for-iowa-jefferson-jackson-dinner

For more information, I suggest zulchzulu's very informative thread: "Hillary Clinton's campaign displays obvious hypocrisy about Iowa student caucus rules"
Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3787609&mesg_id=3787609

Meanwhile, The American Prospect's Ezra Klein, sees this as an example of sudden panic on the Clinton side:

Till now, I've been immensely impressed with the discipline of their attacks. Everything -- everything -- was narrative based, dedicated to furthering
impressions of Obama as inexperienced. Over the last week or two, however, the campaign has moved into a full-court press, attacking Obama on
anything and everything, in the hopes that something will stick.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=12&year=2007&base_name=concerns_in_the_clinton_camp



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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:40 PM
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1. How has Hillary suppressed the youth vote?
You have an off the cuff remark looking to pile on an attack initiated by Yepsen.

So why the lie and fake outrage?

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:01 PM
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10. "Attempt" is the key word in the OP, I believe
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 08:02 PM by ClarkUSA
And it's no lie. There's no outrage, only a sense of continuing distaste for the Clintonian attack tactics. I am not the only one, either. The Prospect's Ezra Klein,
meanwhile, sees this as an example of sudden panic on the Clinton side:

Till now, I've been immensely impressed with the discipline of their attacks. Everything -- everything -- was narrative based, dedicated to furthering
impressions of Obama as inexperienced. Over the last week or two, however, the campaign has moved into a full-court press, attacking Obama on
anything and everything, in the hopes that something will stick.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=12&year=2007&base_name=concerns_in_the_clinton_camp



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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:09 PM
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12. So where is the attempt?
"There's no outrage"

Really? Casting a quip attacking another campaign as a call to disenfranchise is not "outrage'? Just overzealous hyperbole?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:16 PM
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15. It's obvious to anyone who's not a Clintonian partisan
I don't waste my time trying to convince Kool-Aide drinkers.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:17 PM
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17. If its so obvious, how come you can't prove it?
Oh yeah. Its bullshit hyperbole!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:29 PM
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21. Um, read the OP -- but I doubt you're interested, considering your uber-Clintonian bias.
And you are now on ignore. I refuse to be drawn into a flamefest with someone who insults me with abusive language.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:05 PM
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22. LOL.
So you run away clasping your hands over your ears!

:rofl:

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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:47 PM
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2. Hillary has no authority....
...to "disenfranchise" anybody. Only the Iowa Secretary of State and its state Constitution or related legislation can decide voting or caucusing qualifications.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:52 PM
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3. Hillary's move to disenfranchise these students totally disgusts me...
For many reasons.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:56 PM
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6. What move to disenfranchise has Hillary made?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:08 PM
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11. Clinton campaign official:“The Iowa caucus should be for Iowans."
And the meme has spread to the Des Moines Register's front-page via Yepsen.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:11 PM
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13. Yepsen's blog came first.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1207/Clinton_aide_Obama_trying_to_manipulate_the_Iowa_caucuses.html

A Clinton spokesman, Mo Elleithee, this afternoon drew a distinction between her campaign's approach to college campuses and Obama's, amplifying Yepsen's criticism of the Obama campaign.

There’s a big difference here. We are not systematically trying to manipulate the Iowa caucuses with out of state people. We don’t have literature recruiting out of state college students. We didn’t bus in folks from out of state to the JJ. We didn’t bring in out of state activists to the Heartland Forum.

You just can't seem to tell the truth here.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:20 PM
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18. Clinton aide: Obama trying to "manipulate the Iowa caucuses"
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 08:21 PM by ClarkUSA
Obama spokesman Bill Burton responds:

Rather than denigrating the caucus rights of students who go to school in Iowa, we would suggest the Clinton campaign organize them.
Their attack here is borne out of pure political frustration. Iowans are determined to launch a winning candidate for the Democratic Party
to bring real change for our country. They will not be deterred by efforts to dampen participation and 11th-hour attacks.

An Obama aide also pointed out that there's no evidence his campaign was busing in students from out of state, while my colleague Ben
Adler reported that Clinton volunteers from out of state were planning to come back to caucus (it's unclear to him how organized this
effort is) and the Clinton campaign did email out a call for volunteers to come from other midwestern states prior to the Jefferson Jackson
dinner.

Link: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1207/Clinton_aide_Obama_trying_to_manipulate_the_Iowa_caucuses.html


You can't seem to admit the truth here.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:26 PM
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20. So Yepsen's comments came BEFORE the Clinton spokeperson's?
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 08:26 PM by rinsd
Ya know, basically the opposite of what you posted.

So how is Hillary attempting to suppress the vote again?

Has her campaign contacted the SoS of IA in protest? Is her campaign asking that out of state college students not be allowed to caucus?

How is she attempting to suppress the vote?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:53 PM
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4. Be wary of those that seek to exclude people from voting.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:55 PM
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5. AK, where is the seeking to exclude?
Its an attempt to point score in a carbetbagger vein.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:58 PM
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7. Baloney. I have lived in college towns for decades.
This is the same bullshit that arises every election when one candidate fears losing, starts whining, and complains about the "out-of-towners." The students have a legal right to register in the state where they go to school if they spend more than half their time there. There is nothing illegal or inappropriate about it.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:00 PM
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8. No one ever said it was illegal.
And it is point scoring about them "pesky outsiders" (ie: the carpetbagger card).

Its an attempt to cast this as the Dean invasion part 2.

It was a silly move by the spokesperson trying to jump on Yepsen's comments.

We will gnash and wail about it for about 2 days and its will be replaced by a newer shinier outrage.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:11 PM
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14. I gotta tell you.
I give Op-Eds the full attention they deserve. I read them like I do astrology, for sheer entertainment. But to see people here at DU getting in intertubes fistfights over what comes out of the mouths (and keyboards) of talking heads is beyond me. I have a healthy contempt for the Media Heathers.

This episode reeks of Ms. Clinton knowing Obama has a tsunami of support from young people and trying to throw a monkeywrench in it any way she can. It's a lose-lose situation for her because Obama is doing nothing illegal nor inappropriate.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:16 PM
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16. I thought the spokesperson did a poor job.
She should have let Yepsen's column stand on its own. A simple "they are eligible to caucus as determined by the SoS and that's it" would have been fine.


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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:38 PM
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23. Here's a story over at Daily Kos you might enjoy....
"Dodd and Clinton, Stop Killing the Democratic Party (Update)"
Link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/1/134957/472
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:24 PM
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25. thanks for the info
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:01 PM
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9. Accuse Clinton...
of using "Rovian" tactics, so the answer is to attack her with Rovian tactics. Brilliant. Thanks.
quickesst
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:23 PM
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19. Thanks for the totally unbiased opinion.
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 09:07 PM by ClarkUSA
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:46 PM
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24. This is the sort of strategy that should be celebrated by Democrats
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 10:47 PM by BeyondGeography
This is our generation of voters...the Republicans don't make any sense at all to most kids anymore. Any attempt to even appear to discourage their participation is beyond self-destructive.

Great post, CU.
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