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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:20 PM
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IA Poll: Hillary is"Most Presidential", "fiscally responsible", "socially progressive"
"Most Knowledgeable," most "electable" and most "effective negotiator

Most Presidential

Hillary 27
Edwards 24
Obama 22

Most Effective Negotiator

Hillary 25
Obama 20
Richardson 19
Edwards 10

Most fiscally responsible

Hillary 23
Edwards 15
Obama 1`5

Most Socially Progressive

Hillary 29
Obam 24
Edwards 15

Most knowledgeable about the world

Hillary 37
Biden 15
Richardson 14
Obama 11
Edwards 9

Most Electable

Hillary 34
Obama 26
Edwards 22

Most experienced

Hillary 39
Biden 15
Richardson 15
Edwards 12
Obama 5

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=iowapoll07
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:24 PM
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1. And least likable -- sorry but the presidential vote is personal
This person will be the "face" of the country and will be in our homes via TV more than almost any other person over the next four years. People don't vote for candidates they just don't like ...
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:25 PM
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2. The poll dosn't say Hillary is not likeable...nt
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:29 PM
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7. There is a poll out from Des Moines Register out today that says that
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:31 PM
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10. No it doesn't
It asks who is the most likeable...

I have two friends...I like one more than t he other...doesn't mean I don't like the other...it's a matter of degree...

The proof of this is that Hillary maintains high approval rating as well...
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:32 PM
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14. No, it does not. Neither does it say that Obama is NOT fiscally responsible or socially progressive
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:33 PM
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18. I didn't say it did...nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:35 PM
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23. Neither did it say that Obama was not experienced. which you implied.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:31 PM
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11. Hillary comes in 3rd in likeability in the Des Moines poll.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=iowapoll07
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:35 PM
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25. Experience, competence and leadership. That's what "people" do vote for. (eom)
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:25 PM
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3. Also, and as interesting , most ego driven, most negative, less principled, less able to bring ...
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 08:28 PM by Mass
together Democrats and republicans, ...

Otherwise said, politics as usual.

and Obama most civil in tone, most able to bring real change, most likeable.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:29 PM
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8. I agree she is ego driven...
All presidential candiates are...doesn't mean they aren't sincere as well...

In fact I am glad they are ego driven...means the are self assured...
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:31 PM
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12. Sure you are happy she is seen as most negative and less able to bring a real change as well.
Personally, if I have to choose where Obama wins in this poll and where Clinton wins, I would take Obama's number.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:32 PM
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15. People vote on who can get the job done...
On those measures Hillary wins...
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:33 PM
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16. No, not if she cannot bring real change. Obama wins.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:35 PM
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24. The ego is an illusion.
The more ego-driven a person is, the less enlightened they are.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:26 PM
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4. Those numbers are all pretty close, many within MOE.
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 08:31 PM by calteacherguy
And "most experienced," whatever it means, doens't mean anything. It's vague.

Experienced at failing to get health care reform passed because of her ego-driven, stubborn, self-centered personality perhaps?

Experience at doing the politically expedient thing in voting for an unnecessary war?

Experience in riding her hubby's coattails?

What?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:27 PM
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5. You think 39% to 5% is within the MoE?...nt
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:28 PM
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6. I said most. And read my post again. nt
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:30 PM
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9. Out of the 7 listed by Elmer, 3 are within the MOE.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:32 PM
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13. Thank you...and most of the rest are close to the MOE.
Not that it means much, people are looking for the most principled and honest candidate.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:34 PM
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21. Last I checked, 3 out of 7 is not most. And the others are way beyond the MOE.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:35 PM
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26. So you agree then that 3 is not most...?
As to your comment...sound like you had it pegged more accurately last month

“Sounds to me like the Obama campaign is looking for any sort of excuse they can muster to throw mud at Clinton, frankly. “
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:36 PM
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27. Sure. Big deal...you get 3 of 7. Whoopee..
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 08:37 PM by calteacherguy
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:40 PM
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31. I hope calteacherguy isn't a mathteacherguy,...nt
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:41 PM
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32. Wow...big insult. Real zinger there. Good for you. nt
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:42 PM
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33. Thank you...nt
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:33 PM
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17. Biden and Richardson are much more experienced than Clinton
shows how little people know about the candidates still.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:34 PM
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19. And most importantly they've learned from thier experience.
And they've earned it themselves.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:37 PM
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29. calteacherguy on Hillary's experience in the White House...not too long ago...


They're team players, and Hillary Clinton was an intergral and active member of the Clinton White House. She's also interacted extensively with foreign leaders, and those connnections will be of great benefit in restoring our image abroad. - Calteacherguy
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:44 PM
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34. Have a link for that? nt
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:45 PM
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35. Yes I do...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3583108#3583209
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:47 PM
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36. Well, most American voters are open to changing their minds.
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 08:48 PM by calteacherguy
That's bad for Hillary, but good for all the rest.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:03 PM
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37. But did she learn? nt
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:34 PM
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20. Nice numbers
but the only polls that matter come in January.

On the 3rd. it will be

Hillary 38
Edwards 22
Obama 14
others nil
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:38 PM
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30. I seriously doubt it.......If Hillary wins it will be close. Likely less than 5%.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:35 PM
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22. Most Effective Negotiator should go to Richardson by a mile
What are these people smoking? :crazy:
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:37 PM
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28. Most Socially Progressive should go to Kucinich with Clinton coming last
Most knowledgeable about the world should probably go to Richardson or Biden.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:53 PM
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39. agree nt
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:52 PM
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38. that anyone cd think she is the most socially progressive strains credulity
she is simply not even close to that.

Kucinich
Gravel
Edwards
Obama
Richardson
Dodd
Biden
Clinton

the power of obfuscation and smoke and mirrors is all that could account for this.

by Presidential, they must mean her husband was once the President.

Fiscally responsible is all that I'd give her, and I don't absolutely mean that as a compliment.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:06 PM
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40. You have it in the right order
Edwards use to be less progressive but I would agree he has moved into the #3 spot.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:00 AM
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:37 AM
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43. Not sure I'd rank Gravel as highly with his support for a flat income tax...
But other than that, you have the right figures here I think.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:33 AM
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42. If that's so....
the Democratic party is in sad fucking shape. Hillary? Unbelievable.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:40 AM
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44. [b] [/b]
:eyes:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:10 AM
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45. This proves that being badmouthed makes your poll numbers go up.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:22 AM
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46. Hillary: "biggest disappointments"
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 08:23 AM by progressoid
She topped the list of candidates whose nomination would be one of the biggest disappointments at 27 percent.

I was part of this Register poll. :)
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:41 AM
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47. Of course she is
I knew that
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