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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:21 PM
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Abrams and O'Donnel: Clinton Campaign makes ENORMOUS mistake with Obama attack
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 09:22 PM by itsrobert
I can't agree with them more.

That's Dan and Lawrence.
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ilovesunshine Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:22 PM
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1. Who?
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:22 PM
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2. so now we're agreeing with
the MSM Talking Heads? Um ... okay. :eyes:
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:23 PM
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6. Lawrence O'Donnell is main stream?
LOL
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:48 PM
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34. okay
:eyes:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:49 PM
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40. Lawrence O'Donnell was speaking from his experience as a Democratic Strategist.
He said this was a huge stupid error on the part of the Clinton campaign. He said they were trying to spin their way out of it by suggesting it was a joke. He said typically when there is a problem like this, top campaign officials meet to best suggest how to handle. They vote on different solutions. He would have voted to NEVER use this story, had he been a part of Clintons campaign.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:23 PM
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3. Please link...and do you mean Norah ODonnel, the Repukes
best friend, and Dan Abrams, who scolded his reporter for some tough questioning of a Repuke.

Pretty clear Hilary's ad was a smart move.

Glad you bought into their spin.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:23 PM
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Whoever they are, they are right.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:25 PM
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8. Yup
Can't provide link of live TV Show.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:24 PM
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7. It was Lawrence O'Donnell
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:25 PM
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12. How the hell do you expect them to provide a link?q
The show is on right now.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:33 PM
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22. ...
:rofl:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:41 PM
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28. Are you laughing at your avatar?
I can see why--he's such a joke.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:32 PM
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45. Obama's a joke?
You realize Clinton is the one criticizing him for a kindergarten essay right? Just sayin.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:39 PM
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27. Or perhaps an explanation of what they said...God forbid
any Obama groupie would post anything to back up their claims.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:29 PM
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21. That's Lawrence O'Donnell, a former Democratic activist
now a frequent contributor to MSNBC, and occassional actor on HBO's Big Love.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:37 PM
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26. And ex-producer of The West Wing.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:23 PM
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4. Which O'Donnell?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:27 PM
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18. Lawrence
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:23 PM
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5. And if they say it's so, it MUST be true, right?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:25 PM
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9. SO the evil MSM is ok with you now that they attack Hillary...
Interesting
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:26 PM
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14. Lawrence O'Donnell is main stream?
Progressive, the new Main Stream!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:36 PM
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25. Lawrence O'Donnel was a Kerry supporter who got into heated argument with swiftboaters
on TV, and was put on leave of absence.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:11 PM
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31. That was great to see - he didn't let them get a word in!
He was incredible.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:25 PM
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10. Of course you agree with their opinion, you're an Obama supporter. nt
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:25 PM
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11. As a supporter, I would like to congratulate Team Clinton
Sooner or later, this will be Obama's party. Clinton's smear, which he will easily survive, will only add to his credentials.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:27 PM
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17. True.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:26 PM
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13. I just read what she said 5 minutes ago...
and I've already forgotten it.

How enormous could it be?

What were we talking about again?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:26 PM
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15. Obvious but clearly wrong answer. Hillary seeks to damage Obama, not boost herself.
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 09:27 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Even by responding, Obama looks "politics as usual."

Nobody in camp Hillary thinks this tack will cause her to rise. She is dragging Obama into the mud with her.

Clinton is elevating JE because he is not long term competition.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:27 PM
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19. Obama was already in the mud...
She is just holding him there
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:27 PM
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16. Hillary's ad is very racist!
Having an Asian-American child say that someone with a name like "Obama" will never be elected President is the height of idiocy!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:34 PM
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23. That wasn't Hillary's ad. nt
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:35 PM
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24. LOL
IndianaGreen man, those ads weren't real. That was Abrams joking around.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:29 PM
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20. Well I'm sure the dozens of people that watch that show will be very upset by it...nt
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:36 PM
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33. So a few more than belong to this little sewing circle here in the GD-P forum, huh?
Talk about an echo chamber. But it is fun... :bounce:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:41 PM
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29. I hope she continues to attack Obama because of commentary like this
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 09:43 PM by ClarkUSA
Her attacks have been universally panned by political analysts. And we know Iowans are legendary for disliking the politics of personal destruction.
So keep it up, Hillary!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:41 PM
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42. if its about the kindergarten thing, then yeah, its petty and small.
I would think they would actually attack each other about important things, like war and peace. Kindergarten? What a mistake. know your audience.
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Reno.Muse Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:49 PM
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30. I agree with them too. Poor judgement on the part of Clinton's team
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:32 PM
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32. And it wasn't only them. Every show on MSNBC AND CNN that covered this story
said it was a big mistake for them to "scrape the bottom of the barrel" as one of the THs on CNN said.
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R_M Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:42 AM
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36. The media hates the Clintons and you are agreeing with their hatred.
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 11:42 AM by R_M
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:38 PM
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37. The media coronated Hillary until SHE messed up and they pointed it out.
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 12:39 PM by jenmito
All of CNN loves the Clintons. Just look at the debate they had and the questions they DIDN'T ask. Olbermann loves the Clintons (but I still love Olbermann). Matthews declared her the winner of every single debate until the Philly one when even HE couldn't declare her the winner. Telling someone you "agree with" someone else's "hatred" does nothing for your argument. You sound like Bush saying if you disagree with his position on the Iraq war that you agree with the terrorists. Hillary AND Bill have brought the scrutiny on themselves by their actions. NOBODY deserves a free pass.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:47 PM
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39. The media didn't 'coronate' Clinton
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 12:48 PM by seasonedblue
but they pushed the meme that she thought she was a queen. Chris Matthews hates the Clintons, both of them, and can't wait to pounce on either of them for the slightest perceived offense. Nobody deserves a free pass, but Edwards and Obama have not been scrutinized by the television media yet. Other than Stephanopoulos, who's asked Edwards about his 180 degree change from 2 years ago?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:11 PM
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41. Yes they did...
They never said SHE thought she was a queen. They constantly said she was running a flawless campaign even when she changed her positions on things. They called everything Obama said "rookie mistakes" even though we, the voters, agreed with things he said (about meeting with our enemies, striking within Pakistan if they don't cooperate, etc.) I DO think Edwards got a free pass and that's because, IMO, he's not as viable a candidate since he was forced to take matching funds (claiming it was for moral reasons).
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:44 PM
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38. Which attack? There have been so many from the Clinton camp
The kindergarten attack? The fake outrage at Iowa students being able to vote?

:shrug:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:14 PM
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43. great point under comments at TPM:
Liam wrote on December 4, 2007 2:13 PM:
A question that Senator Clinton should be required to answer:

Why is it that you have been able to uncover and release the writings of Senator Obama from when he was in Kindergarten, but you have been unable to release your own records from your very recent eight years in the White House?
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:25 PM
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44. Yep. Bad idea done badly.
She has to get back to positive campaigning and let someone else do the attacking. This was her low point so far in the campaign. And she looked horrible doing it.
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