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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:21 PM
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FACT CHECK: "Hillary Clinton's idea of 'fun' continues today by attacking Barack Obama's 'courage'."
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 10:24 PM by jefferson_dem
Fact Check: Clinton's Attack On ''Courage''
December 03, 2007

"Hillary Clinton's idea of 'fun' continues today by attacking Barack Obama's 100% pro-choice rating and his record of leadership in reforming the death penalty, passing racial profiling legislation, and enacting the first major ethics reform in twenty-five years. The truth is, Barack Obama doesn't need lectures in political courage from someone who followed George Bush to war in Iraq, gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iran, supported NAFTA and opposed ethanol until she decided to run for President," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

Background information on Barack Obama's record of fighting for Democratic principles and Hillary Clinton's "courage" on such issues as Iraq, Iran, NAFTA and ethanol:

IL Planned Parenthood President Said Anyone Who Thinks A Present Vote Is A "Duck" Doesn't Understand How the Process Works. "There is a presumption, if one is not familiar with the mechanics of the General Assembly, that a present vote is a 'duck.' Pam Sutherland, the CEO and President of Illinois Planned Parenthood said of Hull argument: 'I think it's not well-based...I think it's somebody who doesn't understand how the legislative process works."

Director of the IL Council Against Handgun Violence Said Criticizing Present Votes Indicates "You Don't Have A Great Understanding Of The Process." "Criticizing Obama on the basis of 'present' votes indicates you don't have a great understanding of the process," said Thom Mannard, director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

The "Dirt" On Attacks on Obama's Present Votes Is "All Over The Hands of Those Pointing The Finger." "This column has the dirt on the issue of state Sen. Barack Obama's 'present' votes on tough issues in the Illinois Legislature--votes that at least two of his opponents in the March 16 Democratic U.S. Senate primary say mark him as a coward... There's dirt here all right. It's all over the hands of those pointing the finger."

Obama Was Praised for Standing Up on Tough Issues In State Legislature – Because His Senate Seat Was Not Vulnerable, He Used His Position To Help More Vulnerable Senators Do The Right Thing. Zorn wrote, "Obama, however, was in a safe district and never faced a serious challenge for his legislative seat. He had no need to shy from hard-line stands on gun control and abortion rights. He actually took such stands frequently and is now highly praised by advocates for both causes."

OBAMA HAS SHOWN COURAGE ON KEY ISSUES
Obama Passed Illinois State Gift Ban Act "Heralded As the Most Sweeping Good-Government Legislation in Decades." In 1998, Obama passed the Illinois Gift Ban, which prohibited legislators, state officers and employees, and judges from soliciting or receiving gifts from a person or entity with interests affected by government. The Chicago Tribune wrote, "an ethics and campaign finance package heralded as the most sweeping good-government legislation in decades." The law also required greater campaign finance disclosure and limited the uses for which raised money could be spent.

AP: Obama Played A "Key" Role In Passing Death Penalty Overhaul As Well As A Corollary Law To Require Videotaped Interrogations In Capital Cases, "Made A Difference On A Matter Of Life And Death." Obama was the chief co-sponsor and voted for bill creating the Capital Punishment Reform Study Committee Act. Approved nearly unanimously, the bill required the electronic recording of all homicide interrogations, conducts a police officer training program, and provides grants to local law enforcement agencies for the purchase of necessary equipment. The AP reported, "Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama can honestly claim to have made a difference on a matter of life and death. While an Illinois state senator, Obama was key in getting the state's notorious death penalty laws changed, including a requirement that in most cases police interrogations involving capital crimes must be recorded...Enactment of the 2003 law was a huge political achievement in a state that had been deeply divided over problems with capital punishment."

Obama Passed Racial Profiling Ban With A Republican Senator, "Met With Law Enforcement...Once a Month For Three Years" In Order to Pass It. Obama was the chief sponsor and voted for racial profiling bill that required law enforcement to record the race, age, and gender of all drivers they stop for traffic violations, to be analyzed by IDOT for evidence of racial profiling and then sent to the Governor. The bill also incorporated the racial and ethnic sensitivity training for all law enforcement personnel. The Daily Herald reported, "The bill is the product of years of work, says Sen. Kirk Dillard, a Hinsdale Republican. Dillard says he and Obama met with law enforcement representatives once a month for three years to create a policy that wouldn't overburden police officers with paperwork. 'I believe we have a bill that's workable...Law enforcement always has been the obstacle. They don't like it, but they have signed off on it.'" <93rd GA, SB 0030; 4/3/03, 3R P; 58-0-0; P.A. 93-0209, 7/18/03; 93rd GA, HB 0361, 4/3/03, 3R P; 58-0-0; House Total Veto Stands, 11/6/03; Chicago Daily Herald, 5/14/03>

...CLINTON HAS NOT
Clinton Voted To Authorize The Use Of Force Against Iraq. In 2002, Clinton voted for the resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq. In discussing her vote in favor of the Iraq war, Clinton said she believed the president should be given the benefit of the doubt. "I thought it was damaging ... in the Clinton administration for leaders in the other party to not just criticize and undermine the president, but send signals about our resolve and unity as a nation," she said. "And I will not as a senator participate in that. I think it's wrong."

Clinton Voted For Kyl-Lieberman, Which States That US Military Presence in Iraq Is A Critical Component In Addressing Potential Threats From Iran. Kyl-Lieberman states that "...(1) that the manner in which the United States transitions and structures its military presence in Iraq will have critical long-term consequences for the future of the Persian Gulf and the Middle East, in particular with regard to the capability of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to pose a threat to the security of the region, the prospects for democracy for the people of the region, and the health of the global economy; (2) that it is a vital national interest of the United States to prevent the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran from turning Shi'a militia extremists in Iraq into a Hezbollah-like force that could serve its interests inside Iraq, including by overwhelming, subverting, or co-opting institutions of the legitimate Government of Iraq."

Clinton Praised NAFTA As Part Of Her Husband's Legacy. In 1996, On a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Hillary Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region." In her memoir, Hillary Clinton wrote, "Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for President in 1996. He couldn't hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill's successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA." According to a Newsday issues rundown, "Clinton thinks NAFTA has been a boon to the economy."

Los Angeles Times: The Only Way To Explain Clinton's Flip-Flop On Ethanol Is A Political Move To Please Small But Politically Powerful Constituencies. Los Angeles Times: "The ethanol craze, like so much of U.S. energy policy, is designed more to please small but politically powerful constituencies such as corn growers and Detroit automakers than to solve the nation's energy problems. There is no other way to explain the flip-flops by presidential candidates Hillary Rodham Clinton and John McCain, who as senators were critical of ethanol but, desperate to the win the primary in corn-growing Iowa, have more recently become ethanol boosters."

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/03/fact_check_clintons_attack_on.php
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:35 PM
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1. dillard and his relationship with obama
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/republican-il-senator-kirk-dillard-on-barack-obama/
Republican IL Senator Kirk Dillard on Barack Obama « Think On These Things
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:45 AM
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8. LOL
Bipartisanship, the horror!!!

:P
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:34 AM
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11. back in the old days of the last century
that`s the way the game was played...it was "i`ll give something to get something and i`ll stand by the deal"...no one trusts anyone anymore and do you blame them?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:19 AM
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13. To an extent...
Some of the pure prejudice against even attempting to understand where the other side is coming from gets to me here sometimes and I live in a Blue State(s)TM, honest. The CA legislature is much worse than the Congress...at least the Congress can agree on pork. Pork is tasty. Mmmmmmmmmmmm....

I blame Cheney.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:31 AM
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16. dillard is one of our least objectionable GOPers here.
and he does describe Obama properly. Unlike Mark Penn's latest slam via hillary's reading points.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:39 PM
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20. mitchell out here was a fine republican who
backed the unions here and actually did my family some big favors that he did`t have to. sadly he`s being replaced by a guy that used to drink and drug at my house a long time ago...
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:39 PM
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2. So he likes to work with rethugs. thats been his whole theme bringing the country together
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 11:40 PM by bigdarryl
much to do about nothing
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:14 AM
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3. You should post a fact check of Hillaryous Clinton's attacks everyday
Thanks for relaying the rapid response from the Obama team. :thumbsup:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:18 AM
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4. Hillary's camp only knows to follow Obama's cue, he attacks and it works, Hillary goes the same
route, the only problem Hil will have will be when and where Obama decides to use Oprah? what will Hillary do, one would imagine by keeping Bill Clinton on call 24/7...?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:00 AM
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14. Not after his last lie.
She stood by him during the big lie years ago. I think she's done with that. I heard she wasn't happy with his recent "opposed the war from the beginning" routine.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:18 AM
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5. Stop pickin' on girls...
:sarcasm:

K&R!


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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:46 AM
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9. That's hateful!
:sarcasm:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:36 AM
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18. hey, that's piling on! meanies!
besides, hill's just one of the girls.

No, wait. Sorry. "one of the girls" promo was already scheduled for Jan. 2- 4, with an attendance at an all girls school, a meeting with a group of nurses, and a select group of women professionals in Des Moines.
This week, it is "attack the youthful, inexperienced Obama" week
Next week, it is "Iran is our enemy, we must attack them to protect ourselves, with the help of AIPAC and Joe Lieberman.
The following week is penciled in as "Stop the war on Christmas" week.

wait a sec. WHAT was that about Iran? Mark, paging Mark Penn, this is an emergency! Quick, we need a rewrite for Week 234 of our campaign tactics!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:20 AM
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6. You were wise to put 'courage' in quotes in the headline
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:38 AM
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7. Hillary really needs to lay off the courage theme
She really doesn't want people asking what she's been courageous about lately. Or ever.

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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:47 AM
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10. If Clinton can't have Iowa she's at least...
gonna do whatever it takes to let Edwards take it. Then, if she can at least remain viable leaving Iowa(close second or third)she can hope that Edwards get enough mo to take 2nd in NH pushing Obama to 3rd while taking 1st for herself. Then with Her 1st place win in NH she will gain the mo to take SC then it's over...

I hope I'm wrong.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:30 AM
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12. They're getting desperate aren't they
One weak attack after another.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:04 AM
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15. That's the game plan, I agree nt
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:33 AM
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17. He's responding to an attack yet to come? Where is the "attack" from Hillary?
Smoke and mirrors yet again from the Obama team.
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:37 AM
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19. Good. Obama Deserves All The Attack. He Can't Fight Republicans, He Can't Fight Hillary
This proves it.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:43 PM
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22. huh?
say wa?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:42 PM
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21. "Barack Obama doesn't need lectures in political courage from someone -
... who followed George Bush to war in Iraq, gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iran, supported NAFTA and opposed ethanol until she decided to run for President."


Word. :thumbsup:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:48 PM
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23. Again how many Democrats followed Obama's strategy of voting present?
And if Obama was in a safe seat, why the need for political cover?

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:51 PM
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24. Is this mark penn's
idea of another joke? Attack Obama on courage while his candidate has shown nothing but Stockholm Syndrome when it come to george fuckWad bush and her votes on aiding and abetting?

I know know..that was suppose to show how tough as shite she is on homeland security and killing Iraqis and now Iranians.

It's all a big tragic joke.
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