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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:28 PM
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"That's one of the things that irritates me about him (Biden)
that he's such a Democrat," Engel said.


From an article in WCFcouier, Biden is a longshot with a chance:

<On the stump, the Democratic presidential hopeful often tells the story of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto calling him in the hours after Musharraf imposed emergency rule.
<
"The sad part is, they didn't call the president," Biden said at a stop in Waterloo last month.>

snip

<Biden regularly draws more people to his appearances than his poll numbers would suggest. And even those indicate some progress: The latest ARG poll showed him at 8 percent and moving ahead of New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; and he inched up to 6 percent in the latest Iowa Poll.

Looked at in a vacuum of the issues most important to Americans, Biden appears to be the candidate for his time: Voters have made it clear that national security issues --- the Iraq war and terrorism, in particular --- are their most pressing concerns. That's why many say a third-place place finish on Jan. 3 isn't out of the question.

"He's one of the few that's actually making converts as he appears," said Dave Nagle, a former U.S. congressman and ex-state Democratic chairman. "He seems to be making some real headway with the thing. He could be a caucus night surprise.">

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Jim Norton of New Hartford committed early on to supporting Hillary Clinton, but after seeing Biden last week in Allison he said the senator would "definitely" be his second choice.

"The guy is like an encyclopedia," he said. "I keep hearing a lot of people really like him."

At a stop in Waverly last week, two Republicans stood up to ask him a question. After the event both said they were strongly leaning towards Biden, despite having voted Republican for decades.

One of them, Dennis Johnson of Waverly, said he found Biden's blunt honesty refreshing. He was impressed Biden went against the advice of his advisers and voted in May to fund the Iraq war. Biden, who has a son in the military, has said he won't take funding away from troops in harm's way.

"He will go against the grain to tell the truth," Johnson said.>

snip

<While Biden's bravado isn't unusual for a politician, he wouldn't need a first-place finish to declare victory in Iowa. Third place is within his and Bill Richardson's reach, and would be considered a win heading into New Hampshire, said Nagle, who advises several of the Democratic presidential candidates.

That's because supporters of the top three Democratic candidates won't necessarily support their top rivals if their candidate doesn't make the cut in their precinct.>

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2007/12/03/news/metro/008db4e33deca7cc862573a600526d3a.txt

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:35 PM
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1. I once heard some pundit say that Biden supporters never change their mind about him.
And that he is the only candidate that has that going for him.

Here's to hoping more people look his way in the next month.
After this Iran fiasco - here's to hoping people wake up soon!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:36 PM
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2. Is Engel a Repug?
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:39 PM
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3. Yep
<Linda Engel has voted Republican ever since President Ford was in office, but switched parties for the caucuses. When Biden attacks Republicans --- often President Bush or Rudy Giuliani --- the partisanship irritates her. Even so, national security is so important to her that she's willing to switch support from Obama, of whom she has concerns over experience. She's now leaning strongly towards Biden.>

There was SO MUCH in the article, I couldn't get it all in, but I loved that she said he was "such a Democrat".
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:40 PM
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5. He definitely has cross over appeal.
I know another Republican that really likes him.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:43 PM
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6. Even if he's "such a Democrat"!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:51 PM
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10. I've sold him to a few myself...and...
I'm currently working on the last 2 that I know...I'll get them onboard....
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:58 PM
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12. I got one recovering republican by showing him
the IAFF speech. He was impressed and gradually moved over to Biden. He loved the last two debates and was actually quoting Biden!
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:39 PM
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4. I'd like to see him get into the top tier. nt
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:51 PM
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11. you will
mark my words! (what the hell does that mean, anyway?)
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:01 PM
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14. I looked it up. It's not that weird.
Mark my words
Meaning: I will be proven correct.
Example: Mark my words, if you don't replace you tires you will have a blow out on your car by the end of the summer.
Origin: "Mark" in this case means to write, hence "mark my words" means to write down my words. This will enable the written words to be referenced later, presumably proving the speaker correct.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:03 PM
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15. That's neat
I love finding out the meaning and origins of commonly used phrases. That makes perfect sense.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:18 PM
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16. cool
mark them WELL!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:19 PM
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18. Consider them "marked"!
:hi:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:46 PM
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7. That is too funny! How DARE he be such a Democrat! Only from the Mouths of Republicans..."
:rofl:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:48 PM
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8. But she'll probably vote for him!
Priceless. Be sure to read the whole article. It is really good.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:51 PM
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9. I did - very encouraging for us Bidenities! Thanks!! nt
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:59 PM
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13. Very nice...
although, I didn't understand the last line of the article....he offends me. But then again, I don't live in Iowa, so I guess it's not applicable.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:18 PM
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17. I liked Dennis Johnson's comment
"He will go against the grain to tell the truth," Johnson said.

That sums it up for me.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:15 PM
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25. You know I saw Dennis at the Waverly event, I think he's a regular
republican voter.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:36 PM
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27. Its so cool to hear all your on the ground observations
Its the closest many of us will get to actually "being there".
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:05 AM
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19. He's got the foreign policy cred as well as the respect of several important world leaders. n/t
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:29 AM
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20. I love it!
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 03:30 AM by whirlygigspin
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:22 AM
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23. Boy, isn't that the truth...
I love that clip...I wonder what Doris thinks of him? Seriously...
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:34 AM
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21. "he won't take funding away from troops in harm's way"
Yep, all the other Democrats want to leave our troops out there in harms way with no funding. Biden's the only one who cares enough about them to fund them.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:18 AM
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22. k&r nt
:)
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:42 PM
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28. KAD777
Did such a great job on that video, I get so emotional when I watch it. (the one in your sig line)
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:17 AM
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24. I talked to a woman the other day...
she considers herself a "republican" but has never voted. She registered two weeks ago as a Dem so she could caucus (for the first time ever) for Joe Biden.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:34 PM
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26. There could be a lot of people out there like her
Times have changed and people have changed. They are more politically aware - that's about the only good thing Bush has brought about.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:43 PM
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29. Wow - that just made my day!
:bounce:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:08 AM
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30. Love your pic Pirhana!
:headbang:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:23 PM
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32. It's big, huh?
Well so is my support :)
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:57 AM
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33. Big and presidential looking!
:toast:
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:09 AM
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31. kick
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:51 PM
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34. The republicons are afraid of him...
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:52 PM
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35. Because they know he has wide appeal...
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:17 PM
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37. Biden doesn't fit neatly into their playbook
and their candidates are no match for his intelligence and wit.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:00 PM
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36. Great Article
I hope that this translates into votes.

-Paige
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