If you want a petty nominee, petty president using GOP tactics vote for Hillary. .

This crap about Obama writing an essay in kindergarten about wanting to be president is just petty. Its a GOP style attack and it can backfire on Hillary. I'm not sure why but I feel like Hillary's digging into Obama's kindergarten essays just show how petty the Clinton camp can be. She wants to attack him and mock his politics of hope, yet she pulls this petty shit.

--that a snark has been blown out of proportion by people with zero sense of humor.

. . .gets blown out of proportion. Use snark at your own risk.

Not me.

Don't see Hillary offended either.

Only people I see offended are Mr. Obama and his supporters.

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Many women 'of a certain age' always like to be thought of as pretty.
Thanks for the positive post!
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They're all throwing shit around. Happens every 4 years. Clinton's dumb attack on Obama was meant as snark, but it was stupid nonetheless. There's nothing particularly GOP about it.

But if there is a pattern and practice of any candidate ducking key votes than that is a legitimate issue...

all saying he intended to run for president, so you can attack Hillary is some petty shit.

. . .maybe if the Hillary camp stayed with the examples you provided she might win this argument, but resorting to kindergarten makes her look foolish, outright damned foolish.

to avoid the issue that he really has had his eye on the Presidency since college.

the funny thing about it all is --who cares?

I have no problem with a candidate having a long history of Presidential ambition. In fact --I assume they all do.

people couldn't recognize that it was snark.

. . .if you throw a punch and it misses and the other guy swings back you just have to deal with it. Snark or not they gave the Obama camp an opening and so they just have to deal with it.

America is sorta getting tired of that defense. AND a mass refusal to not buy something in the spin cycle is NOT any sort of lack of humor. More likely, it is indicative of a learning curve.

HRC needs to dump Penn.

It was stupid, mean spirited snark. They're reaping what they sowed, but honestly how could anyone thing that it was serious?

and they need an excuse to not discuss why Obama made such a petty and false accusation.

Obama claimed he hasn't been planning on running for as long as the others when he has been thinking about it his entire life. Obama supporters can't defend his lie, so they are trying to distract.

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How original

Too many assumptions and failure to learn that those assumptions are foolish.

Frankly, I am not really crazy about Obama as nominee either. But, I COULD be against such stupid and petty stunts as this latest from Penn and still favor HRC. Making assumptions could be making WRONG assumptions and that doesn't help your candidate win friends and influence people.

Point is, it WAS a stupid, mean spirited snark AND that is not a good stunt for a campaign to pull. Gives much reason to doubt the judgment of the many people involved and the spinners they have on TV trying to pretend it wasn't a stupid, mean spirited snark.

They should just apologize and move on. But, no, the spinners persist and THAT is the telling point.

Hillary, full of self-righteous indignation, publicly demanded that John Kerry apologize.

Do you believe that Hillary should publicly apologize for her bad joke?



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

when did Hillary first entertainment that thought and put it into words? how far back can we go without it being some kind of a big jump-on negative thing?

what a really totally stupid thing for her to say and expect no one would notice the idiotcy of the statement.

Pulling the stunts of talking over everyone else, lest anyone make an honest comment or ask a pointed question, spinning that if one is offended by bringing up elementary school essays, one is missing that they were just trying to "lighten up" the campaign rhetoric...

It all sounded so familiar.

The methods have been used to death in the past 7 years and I think America is sorta wising up to the smoke, mirrors, trying to win by framing every little topic until there is no substantive discussion.

It seems petty on the surface. Below that, it is just more bullying and it is pushing people away. The recent polls seem to bear that out.

. . .Hillary needs to step her shit up with a month to go in Iowa.

--one of my turnoffs to him has always been he shows zero sense of humor.

The dude DOES need to lighten up.

. . .make a silly mistake and ridicule her for it. This Obama or his supporters have no sense of humor argument is pretty funny. . .its that sense of humor that helps the Obama camp exploit it.

--if he had stopped with his intial reaction.

The "astronaut" joke was funny --claiming that this was a serious attack by Clinton makes him look like Frank Burns from M*A*S*H

Sounds like the Limbaugh Defense.

Yes --I'm obviously Rush Limbaugh because some people didn't get the snark.

I guess you're offended because you either didn't get that it was a joke, or you chose not to get that it was a joke.

. . .there is nothing wrong with this and its the role of Obama and his supporters to exploit the fact that the Clinton camp gave them an opening.

--it's a joke, and that Obama is intentionally playing it up as an "attack" in order to mount an unwarranted attack of his own?

And you think this makes Obama look good how?

. . .the kindergarten issue is going to get play everywhere, the fact that she looks silly and petty will get play everywhere and the overwhelming majority of voters will not know or care who played it up. This has worked against and for every candidate, in this particular instance it hurts Hillary and helps Obama, but there will be others that go the other way.

--is because it resonates.

The fact is Obama HAS wanted to be President for most of his life, despite his claims otherwise.

His mask came off and he's scrambling to put it back on.

Hillary may lose the battle on this remark, but she successfully unmasked Obama's sense of ambition and entitlement.

This might not help Hillary much, but it sure will hurt Obama more.

. . .and that is not a good thing with a month to go in Iowa.

I really do.

Because it's so obvious a snark from Hillary --that most voters will just be left with two conclusions.

1) Obama is a man who has always wanted to be President.
2) He has no sense of humor.

So by all means --Keep up this attack!

. . .this hurts Hillary more than it hurts Obama because it plays into the perception that she is willing to do anything to win.

I don't think so.

People have their minds made up about Hillary already.

They either like her a whole lot or don't like her a whole lot.

Here you implicitely admit that Obama is lying but it is OK because most people will not realize that Obama lied

One can understand a 'joke' very well and still not find it amusing in the slightest.

Pointing out that a tactic is what Rush uses is NOT calling them Rush. Guess anyone who is offended just didn't get MY joke

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Damn, wish I didn't have to go to work. This is gonna be a fun ol day around here. I love to watch trucks spinning in the mud

Obama makes the baseless claim that Clinton has been planning to run for president for much longer than he has and his supporters think Clinton is wrong for pointing out how Obama has been planning on it for his entire life.

Even Obama's relative says he's been thinking about it for a very long time

. . .over reaching effort to bring up what Barack wrote in kindergarten can distract people from whatever real issue her campaign was trying to raise.

He tells lies and you cant defend him

Oh, and it was Obama who raised this petty issue of how long the candidates have been planning to run

. . .BTW its politics and it makes Hillary look foolish. You can demand a defense, but you won't get one. What the world is buzzing about is that Hillary is desperate and looking at Obama's kindergarten records. . .DESPERATE.

I've merely been pointing out how Obama supporters have no defense.

And desperate are the Dems who aren't leading in most states that have been polled. Hillary is in the lead.

here on the left.

Rightists think that whatever they do, whatever they do, is good simply by virtue of the fact that they're doing it. Whether it is lying to start a war that kills hundreds of thousands, or molesting children, or screaming accusations at someone else for getting a bj while they're hiding illegitimate children for a lifetime from years-long cheating affairs.

They don't care, which is kind of psychotic actually. They're good and you're bad, no matter how bad they are. And they project their sins and failures and on others as much as they can. Sound like any candidate from Illinois that you know of?

In this case Obama threw slime at Hillary, then lied about his own circumstance. Both mud and lies in one incident by Obama.


It's good that you're not afraid to point it out, cuke. In fact, we should all be pointing out how dishonest Obama truly is.

Obama's been lying since he was a little kid, the words of his own relatives and classmates prove it. And he's lying more now than ever.

He says that there is a SS crisis. He worries about SS because "most kids today think that SS won't be around when they retire". He associates with a homophobe in order to appeal to homophobic voters. He criticizes mandates (even though his plan has a mandate) because they FORCE people to buy insurance. And finally, he talks like a theocrat

All of those are what repukes do

. . .today. . .LOL

Keep cranking it out folks. . .I'm enjoying watching you guys today.

Maybe we should send coffee and donuts? They will need the extra energy.

Just more attacks. It's incredible how predictable Obama supporters are

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Just attacks. How predictable

. . .I'm not going to answer you, but I enjoy that you keep this thread kicked by demanding a defense. The overwhelming majority of people do not read down thread, yet they see the OP and as long as this OP stays kicked I'm happy.

Obama is behind in almost every state that has been polled. His supporters are getting desperate complaining about a joke in order to avoid admitting Obama is a serial liar

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Some HRC supporters need to tell Penn that crap isn't helping.

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'yer with us or with the terrarists' <--- just as silly

Nuances seem to be missed by too many.

I haven't posted anything about you

"Nuances seem to be missed by too many"

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Thanks for playing

It was kind of hard to notice at first, how much he slimes other candidates and the Democratic party as a whole, and how dishonest he is, because at first you take him at his word, like most honest people are wont to do with new people. And you get caught up in his self-annointed 'new politics' and high-road talk. I kind of liked him at the beginning, like alot of people with the new guy.

Then things he says and does kind of make you go 'what just happened?' And you make excuses for him. And then again; and you make allowances. And a third time you cut him some slack. But it doesn't take long before you start seeing the real patterns of Obama's lack of character appearing everywhere. It's like a foundation that looks good at a distance, but then as you get closer you see it is all spider-webbed with cracks. And when you really look at it, it's ALL cracked.

Once you become aware of how he really is, all you see are the mud and the lies. I'm pretty much waiting for him not to lie now.

funny eh?

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of bullies and abusers.
Just like "you're being overly sensitive".

If Barack isn't able to handle a snarky jibe from Hillary, he isn't ready for Primetime yet.

. . .the Hillary camp gave him the opening.

--by removing even more of his mask and showing himself as a thug.

So much for the politics of Hope

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK

Is he saying that about Hillary? Or is he using that at his morning affirmation in the bathroom mirror?

after Mark Penn said it, but I don't recall seeing any of them say it yesterday. I saw one or two who admitted it was an over-the-top, tone-deaf attack. But what I wonder is, if it's so obviously a joke, why didn't any of them say that yesterday?

and you're projecting Obama's dishonest GOP tactics onto Hillary?

That's just too funny!

Hillary shoots straight, and this time she hit Obama dead square on one of his lies. Not that that's much harder than hitting the side of a barn.

I think that people are waking up to what a truly dishonest person Obama really is. Most of us don't have the guile and dishonesty to lie until we reach adulthood.

Obama as a 'high-road' candidate is his biggest lie yet. Planned and executed by someone who's been doing it his whole life if we are to believe any of the people in his life, and we do.

Obama used his childhood (4-10 years old) as foreign policy experience.

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They really should clean their own house before looking at Hillary.

then vote for Obama and watch him lose against the Repugs in the general election!!!

. . .would you vote for him? Also if experience matters what is Giuliani's experience, what is Romney's expierence, what is Huckabee's experience?

he has two glaring disadvantages: his wafer thin experience at the national level and his race. There are still too many people in this country who will not vote for a black man. They might not like a woman either, but these types would be comforted by the thought that at least Bill would be there to advise the little woman (barf!). It's my honest opinion, if he manages to pull off the nomination, I sincerely hope that I'm wrong but only time will tell.

P.S. I think that he would do better in the future as people would have become accustomed to seeing him run for president and he would also have some additional years of national experience under his belt.

The don't. As much as Rudy got after 9/11 his actual overblown impact was local.