Hillary's jester says Kindergarten attack was a joke. So the question is

If this was a joke... Was the quote really from Obama's third grade teacher or did Hillary's campaign make it all up?

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The iceberg is breaking up.

Maybe it's the global warming.

Warming to Barak.

They just want their opponents to know the HRC muscle is everywhere

will play anything literally. (If it serves their larger approach to things)

I wonder how Gore would react to the comparison.

Al Gores 2000 campaign is famous for the media casting jests as serious statements.

And Al Gore would recognize and agree with the tactical comparison because Al Gore isn't a clod or a total asshole.

Flip-flopped and said he wanted to be an astronaut.

If that's the one you're talking about, it's hysterical.

can I get a recap of what's going on?

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We need to get to the bottom of this!!!!!


This whole flap is stupidly insane. Yes, it was clearly a joke. The fact that it got more than 30 seconds of attention is just ludicrous.

Kindergarten or Third Grade?

No wonder it appeals to us here at DU/ GDP?

.....and I repeat: no wonder......uh, never mind.

It was the "humorous" part of her refuting his claim that he'd never really had a game plan to be president and she did...

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/


Immediately after joining the Senate, Sen. Obama started planning to run for President:

"'The first order of business for Obama's team was charting a course for his first two years in the Senate. The game plan was to send Obama into the 2007-2008 election cycle in the strongest form possible,' writes Mendell in his forthcoming bio Obama: From Promise to Power...The final act of the plan was turning up the talk about a potential presidential bid, which was greatly aided by his positive press and suggestions by pundits that he run for president." U.S. News and World Report, 6/19/07 http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2007/6/19/obama-had-a-presidential-plan-too.html

His law school classmates say that Sen. Obama has been planning presidential run for 'more than a decade':

“(A)ccording to those who know him, he has been talking about the presidency for more than a decade. ‘It was clear to me from the day I met him that he was thinking about politics,’ says Harvard Law School classmate Christine Spurell.” Washington Post, 8/12/07 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/08/AR2007080802038_pf.html

15 years ago, Sen. Obama told his brother-in-law he was planning to run for president:

Sen. Obama’s brother-in-law, Craig , pulled Sen. Obama aside and asked about his plans. "He said, 'I think I'd like to teach at some point in time, and maybe run for public office,' recalls Robinson, who assumed Obama meant he'd like to run for city alderman. ‘He said no -- at some point he'd like to run for the U.S. Senate. And then he said, 'Possibly even run for president at some point.' And I was like, 'Okay, but don't say that to my Aunt Gracie.' I was protecting him from saying something that might embarrass him." Washington Post, 8/12/07 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/08/AR2007080802038_pf.html

In third grade, Sen. Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want To Be a President':

Sen. Obama’s third grade teacher, Fermina Katarina Sinaga, "asked her class to write an essay titled 'My dream: What I want to be in the future.' Obama wrote 'I want to be a president,' she said." The Los Angeles Times, 3/15/07


In kindergarten, Sen. Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want to Become President':

"Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama's kindergarten teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. He wrote an essay titled, 'I Want To Become President,' the teacher said." AP, 1/25/07 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1681326


Edited to fix links

Or did they make that up?

brb :)

AFTER ELECTION TO SENATE: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2007/6/19/obama-had-a-presidential-plan-too.html
CLASSMATES: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/08/AR2007080802038_pf.html
BIL: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/08/AR2007080802038_pf.html

3rd GRADE - The Los Angeles Times, 3/15/ - no hot link
Kindergarten:AP - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1681326

They always site source and date and hotlink when available to online sources.

Sorry I didn't realize the conflict had occurred

aka Pre-School.

get simple snark and need it explained to them?

Are they all brain-dead ex-coke heads?

They were the ones trying to use it yesterday against Obama.

They didn't seem to get the joke yesterday.

The only thing funny about that is their fluidity in explaining themselves.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Why bring up his kindergarten teacher?

MARK PENN: Oh, that is so silly. You know, I have to say that I really wonder at the end of the day -- he put out an attack on her, trying to say that she had some 20 year plan, and at the end of a long thing as a joke, the campaign put out that he always wanted to run from kindergarten. It was a joke! And the spin machines here are so hyped up here about Senator Clinton and her campaign, that -- that someone would pick up on a joke like that and treat it as though it were serious. The serious part was Barack Obama did not serve really much time in the U.S. Senate before running for president. I mean, he touts his foreign policy experience, the subcommittee he chaired never even met. The serious part of this is he has no practical national or international experience, not the joke at the end of a very long and serious release. Gosh, you guys are so spinnable.

SCARBOROUGH : We are so spinnable. Sometimes I'm just ashamed. Zogby polls, kindergarten polls, what's wrong with me, Mark?

PENN: Exactly.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/12/0...

This was put out as part of the daily attack itinerary on the Clinton website. Her enforcers pick up the data and argue it here and elsewhere on the intertubes like clockwork.

Penn is trying to do damage control.

What I don't get is how he didnt foresee the backlash that would result from talking about what someone did in kindergarten. Or if he really wants us to think that the last two items on the release were a 'joke' then why dilute an otherwise serious statement? It doesnt make sense to me.

If the grade school "evidence" was offered independently, I'd be more inclined to laugh it off. But it wasn't. It was yet another orchestrated attack that her minions were more than glad to argue yesterday, but today they find the attack backfired. Too bad, so sad. It was a mistake of monstrous proportions because it just makes them look desperate and petty and vicious, and all the polling tends to back that impression up.

It was only when Obama supporters had SO MUCH FUN with it, that they figured out their error that they are spinning it as "just kidding". Whatever.

The details of the press release were not made up. The kindergarten and third grade things were true. They just put them there as a kinda wink-wink nudge-nudge. They werent *really* using those two things to prove their point. They just thought it would be "funny" to go back that far.
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that a campaign press release is an appropriate place for jokes. Maybe they've made other jokes we missed? :shrug:

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Which seems to be quite a few people.

how on earth could they get offended over such trivial minutia? :shrug:

Truly pathetic and silly

And are you saying you believed right away that only a portion of the release was serious? And if so.. how did you come to that conclusion?

conclusion


Silly pathetic minutia

They linked to the article but nothing in their statement implied that it was a joke. Now they claim it was a joke but I think it's only because of the reaction they received.

They should have just left that part out. This would have gone over better if they had delievered this "joke" in person.

She must believe that this thing is wrapped up for her, so now she can just joke around. I don't see how.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=4468

A. It is not a joke
B. It is not funny
C. Duh!! It is NOT a joke
D. Mark Penn is a liar!

Hillary shouldn't attempt any more like it. What pathetic delivery.