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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:43 PM
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Rove Cheerleads Obama for a Reason. He Thinks He Is Easier Prey
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/rove-cheerleads-obama-for_b_75246.html




Rove Cheerleads Obama for a Reason, He Thinks He Is Easier Prey for the GOP than Clinton

December 4, 2007
Earl Ofari Hutchinson

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It's one of the oldest ethnic clichés in the book. The one that says beware of Greeks bearing gifts. But there's nothing ethnically incorrect about saying it when former Bush political guru Karl Rove bears political gifts to a Democrat. The recipient of the Rove largesse is Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama. In an open memo to Obama, Rove caused a titter when he ticked off six things that Obama should and could do to nail Hillary Clinton. Rove's sage suggestions were that he should mount an all-out no holds barred attack on her personality, record, and demeanor. Rove told Obama to stop sounding wishy-washy on the hot button issues such as immigration, and to tell the voters just who he is and what kind of change they'd expect in an Obama White House.

Since Rove is not a paid or unpaid consultant for Obama, those sound political stratagems he offered Obama on a public platter come with a price, or maybe better to say with Rove, an ulterior motive. It's not hard to figure it out what that is. Rove wants Obama to win. That seems to defy conventional GOP thinking that conservative Republicans are giddy with delight at the prospect of a Hillary nomination. Hillary carries mounds of baggage, being a woman, the Clinton name, the deep and resonant hate Bill residue from ultra rightists and Christian fundamentalists, and polls that consistently show Clinton has the lowest likeability ratings among the major candidates. She's so polarizing, so the thinking goes, that she'll single-handedly drive legions of Republican conservatives and fence leaning independents to storm the polls chanting an anybody but Hillary mantra. The clinical hate for Clinton in some circles dripped off shock jock Don Imus's lips his first day back on the job. Imus picked up the throw-away line from the late avowed Clinton basher Jerry Falwell who likened Clinton to the great Satan a couple of years back and refused to take it back when he got flack for it.

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Rove's Obama ploy, and that what it is, is a slick, sophisticated, reversal of the conservative Republican's Devil tag on Clinton. But it's every bit as cynical, and calculating. Paint Obama as a good guy, a fresh face, and someone who can make a real change for America. The exact last things that Rove wants to see in a Democrat in the White House. But an on the attack Obama, that dogs Clinton at every step can create havoc in the Democratic Party. It could plunge the Party into an orgy of Clinton-Obama sniping, bashing, and finger pointing. That would fuel dissension, stoke bitter divisions and deflect attacks from Bush policies and the GOP candidates that for better or worse are Siamese twin like welded to him and his policies.

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Rove banks that Obama as the Democratic nominee would be even riper for the Republican pickings than Hillary. Though Obama is touted as the post civil rights generation candidate; meaning that he doesn't spew race politics as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and doesn't make white voters viscerally cringe, he's still an African-American. And race still matters in politics, and in some places matters a lot, especially as Rove well knows in the crucial battleground states of Ohio, Florida and other must win states.

Obama is tailor made for sneaky, closet reminders that his color and allegiance to race neutral politics is suspect. While white voters swear to interviewers and pollsters that they vote competence not color, after all who wants to come off looking and sounding like a bigot, there's still the ever murky phenomena of election booth conversion. That's the phenomena where many white voters despite public declarations of color-blindness get sudden 20-20 color vision in the privacy of the voting booth when the race is between a black and a white candidate. Voter duplicity did in black Democrats Harvey Gant and Harold Ford in their respective Senate races against well-heeled white GOP opponents. Rove knows that too.



Rove gave Obama seemingly some priceless advice on beating Clinton. But the advice was not given to put Obama in the White House, but to make sure that he and no other Democrat gets there.




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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:47 PM
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1. Thank you.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:48 PM
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2. Or they're terrified of him
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:09 PM
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17. Wait, wait, so Rove is terrified of Obama, therefore he gives advice to Obama on how to win?
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 02:09 PM by Lirwin2
Your logic makes no sense.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:29 PM
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23. So, since we think he loves Obama, we nominate Clinton. See how reverse
psychology works?




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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:31 PM
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24. Or maybe he wants us to think that we think that we know that he doesnt love Obama
:crazy:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:32 PM
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27. It certainly worked in 04.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A10541-2003Jul4¬Found=true

Rove Spends the Fourth Rousing Support for Dean
By Juliet Eilperin
Saturday, July 5, 2003; Page A05

Talk about lining up the competition. President Bush's chief political adviser has seen the possible presidential candidates among the Democrats and has found one he apparently thinks his man can beat: former Vermont governor Howard Dean.

Karl Rove tried to stir up enthusiasm for Dean marchers yesterday at the 37th annual Palisades Citizens' Association Fourth of July parade along the District's MacArthur Boulevard, which always attracts plenty of politicians.


Ever the political strategist, Karl Rove rallied Howard Dean supporters at the Palisades Citizens' Association Fourth of July Parade.

As a dozen people marched toward Dana Place wearing Dean for President T-shirts and carrying Dean for America signs, Rove told a companion, " 'Heh, heh, heh. Yeah, that's the one we want,' " according to Daniel J. Weiss, an environmental consultant, who was standing nearby. " 'How come no one is cheering for Dean?' "

Then, Weiss said, Rove exhorted the marchers and the parade audience: " 'Come on, everybody! Go, Howard Dean!' "
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:31 PM
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32. No. We vote for Biden
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:48 PM
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28. Remember, this is the guy who asserts that the Dems rushed us into Iraq
So please - let's not look for well reasoned and clear thinking! :rofl:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:50 PM
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3. And Rove begged us to nominate Howard Dean in 04. Too bad that scared
so many people.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:49 PM
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29. I love the pic in your posting!
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:50 PM
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4. Dropping a turd blossom in the punch bowl?
If Rove actually wanted to help Obama, he'd stay the hell away from him.

And Rove knows this.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:25 PM
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22. This Is A TwoFer For KKKRove
He helps the Pugs by getting the Democrats to nominate the one candidate who can not win a general election or he gets the Democrats to "dirty up" the Democrat that can win a general election...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:51 PM
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5. Its been evident for a long time...the Pubs come to divide us...to weaken us
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:52 PM
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6. I have written time and time again the republicans would
like for Obama to be the dem candidate. If you think for a moment and try to understand exactly why anyone from the right whether it is tv or radio talk would all of a sudden begin saying sweet and good things about Obama. Why would they do that? Simple! The racist right would have a field day by making folks scared of Obama. Any state that is in play now with HRC leading would lean right if Obama is the nominee. We have to be truthful with ourselves folks. If you think America would not allow that to happen then look how easy it was for America to accept Bush and look how easy it is for the press to gloss over all these lies and America is not calling for the heads of bush or cheney....

I am not trying to scare anyone by stating these obvious facts but sometimes you have to state the truth in hopes folks will see if it stands the test.

Ben David
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:59 PM
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7. They are not obvious facts. they are opinion
and something I find truly irritating is people trying to pass off their opinions as facts.

Here's my opinion: Rove took the opportunity to go for a twofer; he smeared both Clinton and Obama at one swipe.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:09 PM
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15. Or he's just a twisted little psychopath who's desperate for attention
There's an "obvious fact" for ya.


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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:03 PM
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11. Yes, a black candiate will motivate the hell out of the racist lizard-brain voters.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:59 PM
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8. Obama doesn't give me confidence in a national election
So far his campaign and political skills give me no confidence he could beat the republicans like Hillary would.

No wonder Rove wants to help him win the nomination.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:01 PM
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9. Both Hillary and Obama are easy prey in a national general election.
Many vulnerabilities, no executive experience, Senate voting records that can be ripped.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:01 PM
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10. Bingo...
Republicans know Obama would struggle in the northeast and puts virtually no red states in play...
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:06 PM
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12. I think the right would prefer Obama too. Yes part is because he's
black. I live in Ga. and used to live in SC & Tx. Any of you who think racism is nearly dead don't live in the South! I've had quite a few people (lefties) who said to me "Ya know the Dems had a lock on winning in 08! Even the RW is disgussted with Shrub and his entire admin. But what the the dumb Dems do? Put up a woman & a black man! Talk about shooting yourself!!!!"

The biggest problem I see with Obama is that he REALLY doesn't like to fight! You can see it when he shoots back at Hillary. He tries, but he's not comfortable with being the nasty guy. I haven't recoveredx from the severe disappointment with Kerry, and the last thing I want is another "nice guy" to fail against the Pub! We all know the Pubs will do ANYTHING, say anything, and break any law in order to win this election!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:07 PM
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13. Rove Is Very Smart But Not Smart Enough
He wants to see the Democrats nominate someone who can't win and failing that he wants to see the Democrats nominate the one candidate that could have won if that candidate wasn't so "dirtied" up in the process of getting the nomination... I'll go to my grave believing the Democrats are more intelligent, most of the time, than the Republicans but the Republicans are better at accomplishing their goals...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:08 PM
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14. Let's stop letting Rove play us like a violin. Right here. Right now. nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:09 PM
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16. On Fox the other night---they openly admitted the consider
Obama the easier to take out.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:13 PM
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18. Obama's obviously a decent man. I'd never heard of him until he became a senator a few years ago.
Yep, I didn't know of Obama until after Osama claimed ownership to the Twin Tower bombings.

I'm surrounded by ignorant voters who look no further than Faux News to keep up with what's happening. If all they grasp is sound bites, would they be willing to vote for a man who's name rhymes with "Osama"? Sorry, I may get a lot of hits for saying that, but I'm being realistic & I'm aware that I'm setting myself up by being frank. Going further out on a limb with my frankness, I live in the South & I am certain Obama's chances of winning in the South are slim to none, especially in today's tightly-partisan political climate.

He's a decent man & a virtual unknown to those who don't research the news. Personally, I fail to see how he could be viewed as the man who could clean up the worst mess this country has ever been in.

Sorry, but that's my opinion.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:15 PM
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19. Yeah, right..rove psychops
101.. good luck with that. If he didn't have the corporatemediawhores under his sweaty thumb nobody would give a shit what rove was up to..they'd treat him like those anti-rove protesters did in Durham last night.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2400777
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:16 PM
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20. I think that Obama is like a shiny new coin.
It looks so nice because it's new, but wait until it's been passed around and it'll end up just as tarnished as all the other coins. The Republicans would smear him endlessly if he were the nominee, just as they now do to Hillary.

Rove is as smart as he is devious, mean spirited and conniving, but he's a good strategist. He knows perfectly well that this country is still extremely racist and that many will not vote for a half black, son of a Muslim African with a middle name of Hussein and a last name too close sounding to Osama. It's disgusting, but that's the reality. People may say whatever they want when they're polled, but they will still prefer the white guy over the black man.
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bgb217 Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:35 PM
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36. Re
Exactly. Barack is easy prey because he doesn't take strong stands, at least for things that are concrete and can back him up. He does come off as scared of Hillary in debates... and Karl Rove is just the dirty skank he has always been.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:24 PM
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21. Forgot to mention......
that I was surprised to read in Campaign Diaries that Hillary is polling pretty well in the South, considering that she's a Clinton and female.


http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/12/new-york-times-charges-again-that.html
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:31 PM
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25. Toying with Dems
may equally apply to holding their personal control over the GOP. Whatever he is really thinking it might not have as much to do with Obama as basically weakening all Dems and making life supportable for the first choices of the Bush camp, Romney and Thompson. Hillary squeaking through, inevitably, or the Dems in turmoil, might boost the ability to get a crony in over the heads of the disenchanted GOP masses. In this particular period there is no worry about a new Dem surging to the top as much as Huckabee cementing a less than satisfactory plan B over the first wishes of the Bush dynasty.

It's a mess in other words and no one is appearing to have control over the voters at all, so who knows who is being clever or stupid or even what their intent is. Rove figures Hillary can prevail, or maybe be disposed of. They are positioning to take credit and advantage from either- to maintain relevancy, the last recourse of a waning influence. And they still want people to NOT hear the populist messages of Ron Paul, DK or John Edwards, because the greatest foes of Rove relevance are real voters, the people.

Rove's advice is almost involuntary. They want to develop what works against Hillary and test or cripple her rival as much as help. Our party offers the ONLY people choices. We don't need to interfere with the self-destructive GOP phonies. Our process definitely will be interfered with and not just by biased scrutiny.

You should not grant Rove any relevancy if it can be blocked, but he has his lapdog media ear so long as he is not in jail.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:32 PM
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26. It's absolutely Rovian. Rove is constantly having nightmares about having to face Hillary in the GE
He would rather see anyone in the race next year, other than her. When it comes to sneaky underhanded tricks to help Bush, he was good at it, but he's as obvious as the night is long when he's trying to "help" Democrats.

Rove's effectiveness has been on the downslide for a couple years and going.

Great article, alamom
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:51 PM
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30. Agreed..
This is what they want, did anyone hear Ann Coulter saying something against him, talking about him black and white...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:02 PM
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31. i think more would be inclined to vote for a women vs a Black-yes, even though

it is 2007!!. Rove knows that ---it is harder to beat Hil.



......Obama is tailor made for sneaky, closet reminders that his color and allegiance to race neutral politics is suspect. While white voters swear to interviewers and pollsters that they vote competence not color, after all who wants to come off looking and sounding like a bigot, there's still the ever murky phenomena of election booth conversion. That's the phenomena where many white voters despite public declarations of color-blindness get sudden 20-20 color vision in the privacy of the voting booth when the race is between a black and a white candidate. Voter duplicity did in black Democrats Harvey Gant and Harold Ford in their respective Senate races against well-heeled white GOP opponents. Rove knows that too.



Rove gave Obama seemingly some priceless advice on beating Clinton. But the advice was not given to put Obama in the White House, but to make sure that he and no other Democrat gets there.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:36 PM
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33. They can't wait until the day that Obama is named the nominee...
They have their smear and hate campaign already reared up and ready to go.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:42 PM
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34. So when Rove called Hillary a "flawed candidate", he was scared of her?
:rofl:

Swing.....and a miss!


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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:04 PM
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35. If Karl Rove didn't exist, we'd have to invent him. n/t
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:42 PM
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37. Democrats should care what Rove thinks why exactly?
Let this fucker fade into oblivion, or go to jail for treason. Other than that, I don't care what this guy does.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:43 PM
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38. Yeah, WTF is up with THAT?
Hey Rove, get back to work finding those missing emails and shut your piehole.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:47 PM
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39. Sad but very true
I just wish more dems understood that truth is a misnomer with Rove and his friends.
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