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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:26 PM
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Iowa State University Poll: Why Obama's numbers were lower
This is from Pollster.com today.

According to the release describing the Iowa State University poll we linked to earlier today, that poll “presents a much different picture the race than other recent polls.” More specifically, four recent surveys from the Des Moines Register, ARG, Rasmussen Reports and Strategic Vision all show Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton running within the margin of sampling error of each other, with John Edwards just a few points behind. The ISU survey shows Clinton (at 30%) with a comfortable lead over Edwards (24%) and Obama (20%). Why the big difference?

As we noted earlier today, the poll was conducted from November 6-18, which makes its results older than the four most recent surveys on our Iowa chart. However, according to ISU political science professor Jim McCormick, who directed the poll, “the biggest explanation for that is the volatility that still exists among those people who are likely to caucus.” A better explanation is the poll itself, which is very different than other recent Iowa caucus surveys.

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The biggest difference involves the sample. It was drawn from the Iowa Secretary of State’s list of registered voters, but unlike every other Iowa poll that I’m aware of, ISU sampled only registered Democrats and Republicans, excluding the 36% of Iowa voters with no party registration.

Here’s why that omission is important: In the recent CBS/New York Times survey conducted in early November, registered independents were 19% of Democratic likely caucus goers and 13% of Republicans (and 19% of 2004 Democratic caucus goers, according to the network entrance poll). Among likely Democratic caucus goers, the independents were twice as likely to favor Barack Obama (37%) as registered Democrats (19%).

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To be fair, as a percentage of all adults, the ISU samples of Democrats (12%) and Republicans (8%) are in line with most of the other recent surveys that have disclosed their incidence statistics to Pollster.com. But 20% to 25% of the respondents to those other surveys were independents. The omission of independents combined with the already dated field period helps explain why Obama scores lower in this survey.


http://www.pollster.com/blogs/more_on_the_iowa_state_poll.php

Here is the poll:

http://www.iastate.edu/~nscentral/news/2007/dec/caucus.shtml



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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:29 PM
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1. Wow those are some small samples!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:50 PM
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5. It's peculiar
The small sample sizes. Excluding over a third of the representative voting pool. It's hard to know what exactly they're getting at, what they were looking for.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:57 PM
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6. Even as a learning exercise at a university this one is just plain strange.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:29 PM
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2. What a screwed up sample selection methodology.
Why exclude 1/5 or more of likely caucus goers from the frame? Garbage in --- Garbage out.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:32 PM
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3. Agreed. Clinton has a big lead among Iowa Democrats, so that methodology favors her
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:39 PM
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4. This poll is irrelevant now...put it to sleep.
This poll was conducted from Nov 6-18. So much has happened during the month of
November. As indicated by other polls, Hillary has been sliding during the month
of November and Obama gaining. The latest polls (some conducted two weeks after
this one!) clearly demonstrate the Hillary slide and Obama gain.

This poll is old news by now. I have no problem with learning more about the
methodology of this poll and who was polled, but it is irrelevant now because
so much has changed since the poll was taken.

Some of those polled, were polled nearly a month ago!


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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:23 PM
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7. So wait a minute that means...
that the "GOP Lite" DINO corporatist warmonger Hillary actually appeals more to actual Democrats than she does to independents who caucus with them? What happened to that "real Democrats don't like Hillary" schtick?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:35 PM
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8. I don't think there is any question that real Democrats do like her
Not that I've seen, anyway, except online.
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