Biden won the last two debates!

Biden won the last CNN debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2292524&mesg_id=2292524

AND

Biden apparently won the NPR debate. 2 debate winning streak for Biden!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3793234

He's a man I called "ugly and stupid" a few months ago, but I'm beginning to think he might be ok.

He certainly sounds the most rational, and capable of thinking on his feet, in these debate-ish forums.

You wouldn't be the first one that I used to argue with about Biden, and they have since come around :)

But hey, he's batting .500 now. Gotta respect that.

Should Barak win the nomination, I'd hope he'd consider Joe as his attack dog (i.e., Veep.)

Vegas, Philadelphia, all the way back to the first one in June

heck I even thought Hillary did well in the first few debates. I never single out my candidate, but praise others who do well. :hi:

Biden had that great line about Guiliani, but other than that, it was Edwards night.

I know I'm biased, but I base who won on who gave the best answers.

Nothing makes me happier than a new Bidenite!

Make sure you stop by the Biden supporters group. The link is on the bottom of the HOME page.

I like Biden the most, but if I were to vote today, it would be for Obama, simply because I find him preferable to Clinton, and (unlike Biden at the moment) he's actually got a shot. And so I had to choose between intellectual support and practical support. An internet forum, I think, is a place for the former ;)

If you like Biden the best, vote for him. I cannot stand this way of thinking. If everyone who liked Biden but didn't vote for him because they thought he didn't have a shot DID vote for him, he would HAVE A SHOT.

Your vote is a force, and a force that has a certain direction and a certain amount of leverage depending on how you use it. One can throw it away and simply stay at home. One can vote for a candidate who you absolutely agree with, but who does not have any support. That would make your vote's "push" 95-100% along the direction you would want, but would have absolutely no leverage, and so it would not actually be useful; you haven't impacted the election. One can look at the competing candidates with the highest support. Say, one is 80% of what you want, and one is only 30% of what you want. By voting for the 80% candidate, your vote's "push" is only 80% in the direction you would want. However, you have maximized the leverage your vote possesses.

One could, as you propose, vote for maximum directionality but minimum leverage (that is, in a manner that is non-beneficial to you), in the hopes that many others will also vote against their apparent interests, and in doing so maximize everyone's benefits. However, that's downright Utopian; it simply doesn't actually happen. It doesn't happen in politics, it doesn't happen in economics, it doesn't happen anywhere. (It's like the Prisoner's Dilemma, in a way.) There's a reason winner-take-all elections lead to only two parties--people always want to maximize leverage, so long as directionality is a net positive for them.

Now, if we had IRV in the Primaries and the Generals, that would allow candidates like Biden and Kucinich (niche for different reasons) to have a better shot. Until then, I (and most voters) will vote according

He is A LOT of people's "second choice" and usually the reason for him not being #1 is that they don't think he can win (UNLIKE Kucinich) . Biden only needs to show he is viable early on to garner this other, untapped support. At this point, with a month to go, he needs to reach a thresholds, and it's people with exactly your rationale that are preventing that from happening, IMHO.

Thanks for the Biden avatar, though!

show my support for him and not Obama, and which is why I declared "Biden" as my candidate when I was phone-polled (by some campaign, probably, since I didn't recognize the name of the company) recently.

The problem I've run into, of course, is balancing my belief in Biden's campaign with my belief that an Obama victory would be far better than a Clinton victory. At the moment, my "plan" will be to support Biden, while quietly planning on voting for Obama (barring a Biden surge.)

I think Obama is my fav. "1st tier" candidate, though Edwards is close. Either way, Biden is WAY ahead of them in my view.

and the rest of us...on Jan 3rd....think positive.

Since I'll be voting Super Tuesday, I'd love to see Biden turn into a contender by then.

nomination as VP... pandering ever since.

Come on Iowa, heed the call. :patriot:

and I have been taking a good hard second look at him. Right now he is my preference.

except those comments in parentheses were made up! lol

However he couldn't accept the award that night because he was too busy smacking Garry Kasparov around on the chess board and then teaching Chuck Norris a few new power moves.

I'm a Biden supporter...and laughing my ass off. Thanks.

-Paige

Not soon enough, I fear, but then again a lot of changes can occur in the next 60 days.

Even so, I would certainly vote for him.

since he was cleared of any wrong doing by the Delaware Supreme Court, back in 1998.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE1DD1230F93AA15756C0A96F948260

:-)

very poetic

he/she will be a convert, once they read the link I just posted for them...;-)

He is not only showing campaign skills, he is showing leadership skills in these debates.
Biden is issue-driven and has little use for personality-driven politics.

there should be no time for mud slinging. Voters want to hear viable answers to the problems we face.

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If you are honest, no one "won" the NPR debate except the listeners.

:kick:

Ask John Kerry.