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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:47 PM
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A repost to debunk something posted here again after already being debunked.
Sun, Nov 11, 2007 4:43pm ET

Russert misleadingly cropped Obama comment to claim he wasn't "firmly wedded against the war"

Summary: Interviewing Barack Obama on Meet the Press, Tim Russert read a quote he attributed to Obama to suggest that he has "not been a leader against the war": "In July of 2004, Barack Obama: 'I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. ... What would I have done? I don't know,' in terms of how you would have voted on the war." Russert did not quote the very next sentence of Obama's statement, which was, "What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made" for authorizing the war.

Video: http://mediamatters.org/items/200711110004
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:49 PM
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1. Sheesh, talk about parsing.
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 10:50 PM by Skip Intro
on edit, not you, Obama.

I don't know how I would have voted, but from my vantage point...


please
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:55 PM
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2. riiiiiight --- Russert conveniently doesn't include Obama's WHOLE quote
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 10:56 PM by AtomicKitten
and you are more than willing to run with the misrepresentation, that very misrepresentation that Media Matters called bullshit on. And I'm calling bullshit on your lame line of attack on Obama. I realize you're feeling kinda shitty about now, but resurrecting stuff like this that has been already called out by Media Matters is pretty sleazy.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:06 PM
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3. Sentence two does not negate sentence one. Which side of Obama's mouth should I believe?
Was there much difference between him and bush on Iraq? He said there wasn't. Did he have his fingers crossed?

He said there was room for disagreement on the vote for the IWR. Did he mean that, or did he issue an immediate withdrawl of the comment?

Really, and I'm feeling rather shitty about now?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:18 PM
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4. Best of luck continuing to argue something that has been debunked by Media Matters
something that you clearly don't get or don't want to get, so I'll put you down on the side of the Media Heathers when it suits your purpose. Got it.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:20 PM
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5. I had no idea. Wow.
best of luck to you
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:22 PM
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6. Do you really want to play that game?
Cherry picking sentences out of paragraphs. That can easily go against you.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:47 PM
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7. This was from MTP, which I quoted accurately, because I believe it shows an Obama some would rather
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 11:47 PM by Skip Intro
pretend didn't exist.

Thanks for the words of caution, but yes, I would like this man asking me to allow him to serve me as my president to be held accountable for his words and actions, and I would like to see some of his ardent supporters not try to run away from or try to bury his own words. And at the very least not condem other candidates for things he has a mixed, at best, record on.


If he's the political messiah some seem to think, he can withstand the scrutiny, and if not, then he should be shown for who he really is. Whoever the real Obama is, he's definitely not above questioning, or being held to account. We've already got a guy who thinks he's above question, we sure don't need another one
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:46 AM
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8. Thanks, AK...and bookmarked for future use as Hillaryworld BS repellent.
;)
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:47 AM
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9. Guys...what Obama says doesn't matter.
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