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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:21 PM
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Judge dismisses Bill Nelson's lawsuit against the DNC.
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 04:21 PM by madfloridian
Quick ruling on Bill Nelson's lawsuit called Nelson v Dean.

DNC can penalize Florida Democrats.

The Democratic National Committee can penalize the Florida party by stripping the state of its convention delegates because it is holding an early presidential primary, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle ruled in favor of the DNC in a lawsuit by Florida congressmen Bill Nelson and Alcee Hastings. Nelson and Hastings had argued that state Democrats were being illegally penalized for the state having the primary earlier than national rules allow.

But Hinkle said that political parties have a First Amendment right to set their own rules and enforce them. The national party did that, which means that Florida will not have a say in picking the Democratic nominee.

Florida's primary is Jan. 29. But Democratic Party rules say states cannot hold their 2008 primary contests before Feb. 5, except for Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. The calendar was designed to preserve the traditional role that Iowa and New Hampshire have played in selecting the nominee.

Hinkle said he wanted to issue a quick oral decision because there was some urgency in the case. He planned to issue a written decision by Monday, but anticipated that would not be the last word in the case.


I doubt it will be the last word either. There is still an activist lawsuit pending from a Tampa activist named Dimaio...dismissed once but being appealed.

Past chairmen have tried to keep discipline in the primary process, but they were not sued and held in disdain.

Michigan delegates threatened in 04...McAuliffe not sued

Bill Nelson sent out an email yesterday reiterating what he said once before....that they will seat their delegation. And they probably will.

Nelson will lead the delegates to Denver anyway.

I won't post the email because it angered me so. I think it is time for Florida to let this thing drop.

On Edit: More from Judge Hinkel:

Chief U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle this afternoon dismissed Sen. Bill Nelson's lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee over Florida's early primary date. Hinkle granted to DNC Chairman Howard Dean a motion for summary judgment.
The ruling lets stand the national party's sanctions against the state that strips Florida of its entire delegation to the Democratic presidential nominating convention next year.

Hinkle said the Democratic National Committee has a right to set its schedule for primaries. The national party penalized Florida because it broke party rules by jumping the state's primary date ahead to Jan. 29.

To rule otherwise would be a free-for-all with all 50 states, Hinkle said. He gave the plaintiffs the choice to re-file under the voting rights act against the state of Florida if they choose."


Judge OKs DNC sanctions over Fla. primary

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:24 PM
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1. At least the judge
ruled for the DNC and the rules that were in place before Dean took over.

Rec'd~ Thanks mad!
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:26 PM
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2. What's going on with Nelson?
I really don't know much about him. He's going to lead the delegates to Denver anyways???
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:32 PM
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4. You mean the Nelson that voted for the Kyle-Lieberman resolution?
That Bill Nelson. I held my nose and voted for him in '06, never again.
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:04 PM
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20. Florida's Primary
Anyone honest and anyone who knows Florida politics, knows that since the early 70s it has been a Republican strategy to re-register several of their people as Democrats, volunteer for campaigns and then attempt to destroy them from within. Moreover, they have succeeded in gaining power positions within the Democratic Party. Looks like they've succeeded this time as well, knocking out Florida's voice in selecting the Democratic Presidential Nominee.
Those in Florida should begin to question who is and who isn't a real Democrat. TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE!!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:00 PM
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28. That's interesting cause
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 10:01 PM by zidzi
I kinda figured it ..being relatively new to politics(7 years). How else could they be such filthy dinos?

Edit~Welcome to DU, youngharry!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:29 PM
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3. More from Judge Hinkel's statement:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-05-florida-primary_N.htm

"Chief U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle this afternoon dismissed Sen. Bill Nelson's lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee over Florida's early primary date. Hinkle granted to DNC Chairman Howard Dean a motion for summary judgment.
The ruling lets stand the national party's sanctions against the state that strips Florida of its entire delegation to the Democratic presidential nominating convention next year.

Hinkle said the Democratic National Committee has a right to set its schedule for primaries. The national party penalized Florida because it broke party rules by jumping the state's primary date ahead to Jan. 29.

To rule otherwise would be a free-for-all with all 50 states, Hinkle said. He gave the plaintiffs the choice to re-file under the voting rights act against the state of Florida if they choose."

Nelson not happy, not sure if he will appeal.


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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:39 PM
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5. Yeah, keep this up and Florida Democrats will penalize the party by staying home.
Stripping the state of its convention delegates will be seen by Floridians as grossly insulting. Let them have their primary when they want.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:51 PM
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8. Baloney. That is not at all what this was about. It was a power play.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1607

More will come out eventually about who would truly benefit.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:01 PM
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9. Well, let's hope the people of Florida see it your way, and watch out for spin. Fingers crossed. n/m
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:14 PM
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12. The "people" of Florida never got both sides.
I found out that my posts were shared with some county DEC members....otherwise they only got the media's side.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:02 PM
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29. You're showing your
ignorance on the whole scenario that's been going on for a long time.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:43 PM
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6. The nominee will agree to seat the delegates at the 11th hour before the convention starts
This is all a dog and pony show.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:47 PM
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7. Yes, but the problem I have is....
I HAVE NO SAY in who that nominee IS. None of us do.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 09:59 PM
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27. And, you can place the blame on Bill Nelson and the
Florida Democratic Party.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:07 PM
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30. The dinos..
they speak with forked tongue.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:16 PM
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13. Not really. It was far more than that, and it was shameful.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:42 PM
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15. It Will Magnify The Importance Of The Primary
Bookmark this post...


The media will descend on Florida on January 29 and ask Florida Democrats if they know their primary votes won't be counted... It will also be the topic du jour as the primary gets closer...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:45 PM
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16. That is spin.
That is a way of saying oh boy we sure messed up, but let's put a good face on this.

That said...the nominee will probably seat the delegates. Florida will make a lot of noise and get attention.

But for many of us it changed our view of the state party until new leaders are in there.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:50 PM
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17. I'm Just Making An Observation
I suspect most rank and file Democrats , not activists, you know, just folks who vote Democratic, will show up at the polls on 1/29 thinking their votes will be counted...They will be descended upon by reporters asking them if they know their votes won't be counted... It's going to be a public relations debacle for the Democratic party...It makes them look, well, incompetent...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 05:17 PM
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19. Their votes WILL be counted....their delegates won't be seated....
unless the nominee does it.

I detest that...saying the votes will not count. That is spin. Electoral votes will count.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:17 PM
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22. It's Not Spin
Yeah. their votes will be counted but the candidate they vote for won't be awarded for getting their vote...

It is what it is...


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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:02 PM
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10. But Florida's already penile enough.
:shrug:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:09 PM
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31. Definetly doesn't
need anymore of that, does it, XemaSab?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:15 PM
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47. LOL
Just saw this. :rofl:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:08 PM
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11. Somebody Is Whispering In Nelson's Ear For Sure... I Have Never
seen him rake much of lead without "back-up!" Maybe it's Mel Martinez!!! Just a joke, but it COULD be!!

I have never been very fond of this guy!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:40 PM
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23. I agree.
He's not one of my favorite's at all.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:39 PM
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14. More: Nelson says he will not appeal.
From The Hill:

Nelson will not appeal decision in case against DNC

"After losing a lawsuit filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) for stripping Florida’s delegates from the national convention, Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) said Wednesday that he would not pursue further legal action against the DNC.

“I disagree, but the judge’s decision stands,” Nelson said during a conference call. “I respect the decision. It is time to move on.”
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 05:16 PM
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18. Fox local news reported this in a biased way.
They even had to show the Dean scream.

Our news does not tell the truth.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:11 PM
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33. Ya know they're desperate..
they got nothing..so they whip out Dean's Scream..ARRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!
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cachukis Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:15 PM
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21. There are a lot more dems in Fla
that know what's happening than most think. Watch out for the ballot boxes. Maybe we need auditors?
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:51 PM
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44. Now THAT'S An Understatement If I've Ever Heard One!!!
Florida is THE state most commonly connected with VOTER FRAUD these days! I myself don't trust voting here, but WHAT CAN YOU DO??

As recently as the last November local elections, THIS county was still have problems with voting machines! This is the county that lost all those votes in 2006! The Supervisor of Elections here is impervious to the wants of the people here! Why she hasn't been run out of the county OR state is yet another matter! Her husband is influential in Repuke politics here.... sooooooooo!

I think she actually thinks she can do whatever she wants, regardless of ANY laws or regulations!! Never thought I would think there was anyone worse than Katherine (Cruella) Harris, but there IS!!!
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:42 PM
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24. That's great news
Nelson can go screw himself with a garden hose.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 09:19 PM
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25. I am relieved.
And I am glad Nelson is backing off for now.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 09:57 PM
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26. He gave the plaintiffs the choice to re-file under the voting rights act against the state of Florid
That's where it should have been in the first place, except that Nelson was in favor of breaking the rules for the early primary. The State of Florida needs to get its act together.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:12 PM
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34. That's right, sue the state legislature.
They are the ones responsible for selecting a date that will get Florida kicked out.
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:25 AM
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42. Florida State Legislature
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 11:28 AM by youngharry
Please remember that the Republican Party controls the State Legislature in Florida AND has the willing complicity of some Democratic Party members.

Think about it. It is nothing more than another "Dirty Trick" by the Republicans. TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:34 AM
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43. Don't try to use that lie that it was the Republicans. The vote was 115 to 1.
The Democrats were on board with Marco Rubio from early 2006. They were all in this together.

Read this, and don't excuse the Democrats. The party and the legislature knew exactly what they were doing.

Proof. Vindication. Both Florida parties did it for "relevance."

Yes, they wanted to be relevant, did not worry about the other states.

More

Democrats are all for it...a quote from the Florida party spokesman in 06.

Nobody realized it, but the storm began gathering in late March 2006. New Florida House Speaker Marco Rubio, a Miami Republican, visited Washington-based Florida reporters and touted a plan to boost Florida's influence in picking presidential nominees by moving the primary earlier than March.

"With all due respect to New Hampshire and Iowa, nowhere are you going to be on a national stage like Florida," Rubio said at the time. "You're going to get questions about Israel, Latin America, immigration. It's the old South, it's Latin, it's Midwestern, it's rural and urban."

Rubio already had Democrats on board.

"Florida Democrats are all for it," Mark Bubriski, spokesman for the Florida Democratic Party, said at the time.

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:53 PM
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45. Hey... Democrats Stuck With Repukes Here!!! n/t
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:09 PM
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32. The damage has been done though
Thanks Nelly, way to undermine the party with your bullshit. Karl Rove couldn't have done it better , and I suspect he was involved.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:21 AM
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41. I think you are right, Capn.
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 11:22 AM by madfloridian
A whole lot of damage. Remember Kendall Coffey from 2000? He was the pro bono lawyer for the Florida Dems. I saw him pouting on the local news reports yesterday, saying the judge was wrong, we had lost our vote, and acting childish.

Then I saw the lawyer, Joe Sandler, I think, from the DNC. He was very calm, just said something to the effect that the decision was what was best for all the states.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:19 PM
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48. Dean will have to come
through with Full ON Damage Control. If we didn't have Dean what vipers' nest would the DNC be in now?

What would terry do?
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:21 PM
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35. Go Howard!
I'm glad he has been vindicated - I would love to know the true motivations of the Dem leaders in Fla and Mich....and I'd also like to know where Hoffa is buried but truth be told, I'm sure this rabbit hole is extremely deep.

Thanks for posting this!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:33 PM
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37. I'm thinking they're
dinos..infiltrated. Somebody's got stop these Democrats from taking over the Government with their sanity and intelligence.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:36 PM
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38. Heh heh....can't tell you where Hoffa is buried..
but I think more truth will out about motives eventually. :hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:29 PM
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36. Pushing Rope covers it with attitude...good for him. Another blogger disagrees, sort of
The Florida bloggers have been very odd about this. Most of them still cover it as something Florida did to bring change. I can not go along with that. There are ways to bring change without suing and threatening the party chairman with a voting rights probe.

That is an insulting thing to do. Pushing Rope covered it well, Quinnell says it was all planned.

Blame Bill Nelson

It's pretty long, but this sentence is pretty clear.

Hinkle isn't about to turn over a Supreme Court precedent. It is not for the courts to decide rules made up by the party. Florida Democrats are not going to have delegates because Nelson blew off Howard Dean.


Another blogger posts in the comments.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:48 AM
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39. Judge: "Florida has to comply....does not get to insist on its own way.''
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_news/story/333646.html

"TALLAHASSEE -- A federal judge ruled Wednesday that the Democratic National Committee has every right to strip Florida of its 210 delegates as punishment for moving its primary date to Jan. 29.

U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle dismissed a lawsuit against the national party by U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, ruling from the bench that ``Florida has to comply by the same rules as everybody else and does not get to insist on its own way.''

Nelson and U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, both Democrats, sued the Democratic National Committee and its chairman, Howard Dean, after the DNC ruled that Florida would lose its delegates because the Legislature set the presidential primary before Feb. 5. The party had decided that only Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina could hold primaries before that date.

Hinkle ruled 12 minutes after hearing arguments from attorneys that the Democratic Party has a constitutional right to make the rules and enforce them when it comes to scheduling the presidential-preference primaries.

''There can be a schedule,'' he said, summarizing his conclusions. ``There need not be a free-for-all. The entity that can set the schedule is the national party with broad limits.''
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:46 AM
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40. Can they still change the date?
It seems sort of pointless to stick to the early date if they lose their court challenges.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:53 PM
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46. sweet!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:44 PM
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49. Someone explain this paragraph.."talk to other states" to allow FL delegates ??
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 03:28 PM by madfloridian
Democratic National Committee member Jon Ausman believes Florida will get a say in the nomination before the battle is over.

“I’m convinced that we can talk to the other states to allow Florida, along with Michigan, to be represented at the national convention.”


http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/12190121.html#

Jon is the Florida Dem who is suing the state of Florida over this. So explain to me why talking to the other states could give Florida its delegates back?

:shrug:

I guess the consensus of opinion now in Jon's mind is that there is no one authority after all?

This is just amazing to me.

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