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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:06 PM
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Howard Dean, Rev. Luis Cortes join to ask GOP to tone down immigration rhetoric.
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 10:20 PM by madfloridian
Howard Dean, Rev. Cortes join to ask GOP to tone done immigration rhetoric. The GOP is overplaying their hand on this issue. Reverend Cortes was a supporter of Bush in 2004 but is very concerned now.

Also today, Democrats scored a coup when a powerful Latino clergyman joined with party chairman Howard Dean to denounce the Republicans' harsh rhetoric on illegal immigration.

The Rev. Luis Cortes, a political independent who founded the National Hispanic Prayer Breakfast and a visible ally of President Bush's re-election campaign in 2004, joined Dean on a conference call with reporters, including the Times Peter Wallsten, to lambaste the GOP's presidential candidates. Cortes predicted that many evangelical Latinos who backed Bush in 2004 are likely to abandon the GOP in 2008.

Cortes' remarks came on the eve of Sunday's Spanish-language debate, to be televised by Univision, among the top Republican contenders. In recent encounters, two of the leading candidates, Romney and Rudy Giuliani, have jockeyed to appear the most fervently opposed to illegal immigration.
Pew study sees growing power of Hispanic vote


From the DNC website:

Republican Anti-Immigration Rhetoric Hurts The GOP



On the same day the Pew Hispanic poll and the LA Times released the details of a new poll showing Hispanic voters are more inclined to vote Democratic than they have been since the late 1990's, Governor Dean met with Reverend Luis Cortes to call on the Republican presidential candidates to tone down their anti-immigrant rhetoric.


The DNC also launched a website detailing the over-the-top rhetoric of the Republican candidates about the immigration problem. It looks like a good resource.

Republican Immigration Legacy

More from the DNC site today about the polls.

Some 57% of Hispanic registered voters now call themselves Democrats or say they lean to the Democratic Party, while just 23% align with the Republican Party -- meaning there is now a 34-percentage-point gap in partisan affiliation among Latinos. In July 2006, the same gap measured just 21 percentage points -- whereas back in 1999, it had been 33 percentage points.


Countdown had some good information on this immigration issue the other night. I found it in the transcript.

The latest “Wall Street Journal”/NBC News polls suggests the topic is only the fifth highest priority among American voters at 11 percent. The latest Pew Poll says it‘s only the sixth priority of Republicans.

Countdown transcript


I found this squib on a search for the poll mentioned above. It makes you wonder why both parties are using divisive rhetoric when such a small minority is really so terribly against common sense reform.

"In a Nov. 5 Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, 11% of adults -- and 4% of Democratic voters -- said illegal immigration is their top priority. But members of that minority, organized on the Internet, have created political turmoil by flooding lawmakers' offices with faxes and regularly raising the issue on the campaign trail."
The poll in pdf format:
WSJ online poll


It also makes me wonder why our Democratic Hispanic Caucus is having to battle their own party to get that common sense legislation.

Angry Hispanic Democrats Confront House Leaders

Tensions between Hispanic Democrats and House leaders exploded Friday when a bloc of Hispanic lawmakers voted to derail a major tax bill, relenting only after an angry confrontation on the floor with Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer , D-Md.

The rebellion was a response to votes by 36 Democrats Thursday night in favor of a non-binding Republican motion Hispanic members called offensive. It instructed House conferees on an appropriations bill to accept a Senate-passed provision prohibiting the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission from suing employers over certain English-speaking requirements.

That motion was the latest in a series of immigration- and language-related votes that Republicans have used to splinter Democrats, some of whom are nervous about GOP attack ads that could portray them as “soft” on illegal immigration.

Members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus said Thursday night’s vote was their breaking point.


It also makes me wonder why a Democrat from NC named Heath Shuler is featured on Tom Tancredo's website? It makes me wonder why Shuler is praised by local NC papers for not aligning with the Democratic Party.

Why is Heath Shuler being praised on Tancredo's website?

Dean once said the GOP would scapegoat immigrants this time around, and they have done a magnificent job of it. The GOP even has our Democrats often falling over themselves to go along. Kudos to the DNC for working so hard with the Hispanic community.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 12:35 AM
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1. Mel Martinez, R. FL, had a talk with his fellow Republicans. He is worried also.
From the New York Times

G.O.P. Risking Hispanic Votes on Immigration

In a lunch meeting of Senate Republicans this week, Senator Mel Martinez of Florida, the only Hispanic Republican in the Senate, gave his colleagues a stern warning. "This is the first issue that, in my mind, has absolutely galvanized the Latino community in America like no other," Mr. Martinez said he told them.

The anger among Hispanics has continued even as the Senate Judiciary Committee proposed a bill this week that would allow illegal immigrants a way to become citizens. The backlash was aggravated, Mr. Martinez said in an interview, by a Republican plan to crack down on illegal immigrants that the House approved last year.




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 01:20 AM
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2. Covered by Washington Times....
Dean admonishes GOP over illegals

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean yesterday said Republicans are targeting immigrants and told the Republican presidential candidates that the tone of their debates on the issue has become "outrageous."

"Stop scapegoating immigrants and stop using immigration as a wedge issue," Mr. Dean, a 2004 presidential hopeful, said in a conference call with reporters meant to set the stage for this weekend's Republican presidential debate on Spanish-language network Univision.

Mr. Dean said that in the most recent debate, Republicans used "outrageous phrases like 'illegal aliens.' " He urged the candidates to "have some morality and some humanity."

In a sign of political trouble for Republicans, he was joined by Luis Cortes Jr., founder of Esperanza USA, a coalition of Christian Hispanic leaders and churches that was helpful to President Bush in his elections but now appears ready to aid Democrats in 2008.


The Times reminds Dean that some in his own party are pushing enforcement only (Can you say Heath Shuler?), but he tells them they are few in number. He also reminds them that all of the Democratic candidates are pushing a path to citizenship.

Interesting comment about Cortes:

Mr. Cortes said he will try to work with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, to try to rein in some of the conservative-leaning Blue Dog Democrats, many of whom are embracing an enforcement-only approach


I say amen to that. If we keep electing and re-electing Democrats that vote like Republicans and keep excusing their votes...we might as well be Republicans.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 01:44 AM
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3. Update: Dean said, "Balkanizing America is pitting one group against another.
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 01:47 AM by madfloridian
I am going to continue to update even though most are not interested. I have friends, lawyers, others working with the immigrant communities here who are being devastated, separated from children. They work to prepare them when the ICE raids comes.

I am very angry on this topic. Here is more of what he said. I find it courageous, and I am glad he is addressing it powerfully. No one else is. Many of our Democrats are trying to out tough each other, and it should stop.

Meanwhile, the potential influence of Latino voters is on display this week, with Republican presidential candidates preparing for a national debate Sunday on Spanish-language television, a forum most had previously snubbed. And Thursday, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean publicly accused Republicans of scapegoating immigrants, particularly Latinos, for political gain.

...."Democratic National Committee Chairman Dean came out swinging at Republicans on Thursday in a press briefing with Luis Cortés, the Philadelphia-based head of Esperanza USA, a network of Latino evangelical Christian churches that had previously cultivated a relationship with Bush.

"Republicans should renounce the politics of division," Dean said. "Balkanizing America is pitting one group against another. It has been Hispanics recently, but before that it was African Americans, it was gays. ... The people who come here work hard, they learn the language, and they ultimately become Americans."


Edit to put link, which I forgot.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/06/MNMGTPMOI.DTL

There is no reason our party can not speak up for common sense immigration laws. We are at least in control of the House, and sort of in control of the Senate. I thought the party in control got to decide what was tacked on to bills, got to decide if they came up for a vote.

I will update this when more comes in. It appears to be independent, Republicans and a Democrat...one...joining to stop the hurtful rhetoric.

I think it is vitally important.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:40 AM
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4. Label anti-immigration GOPers "racists". Olbermann did it last night.
It is the most effective way to put the nails in the coffin of this despicable divide and conquer movement that exactly mirrors what the KKK did in the 1920s when it gathered millions of supporters in the US. Call the movement what it is---racist--and Americans will disavow it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 01:36 PM
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11. The tactics have worked too well.
People in this area where I live who once would have paid no attention at all to this issue have been taken in by Lou Dobbs' "racist" talk.

I told someone he was using racist talk, and they were furious with me.

This part of Florida was never this ugly about things like that.

The GOP has had great results with hate speech.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:43 AM
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5. The funniest thing about this is the fastest growing group of voters is being rejected by the pukes
New, legal voters are being ridiculed by the pukes. More votes for us.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:44 AM
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6. This push by folks in both parties to stop the hate rhetoric
will probably get no attention. We have Lou Dobbs and yes, some days even Ed Schultz pushing the anger instead of suggesting there are sensible solutions.

The scapegoating has backfired, they need to stop.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:54 AM
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7. Keith was right the other night - the little debate spat between
Mitt and Rudy was nothing more than an effort to prove who could be "more cruel toward Mexicans"!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 12:29 PM
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8. I missed that part. Good for him.
I know everytime I post here about sensible policies, I usually get blasted.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 12:31 PM
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9. Howard is on top of every issue. What we lost by not electing him President!
He at least has an opinion on everything and doesn't try to
hide it by dancing around the subject. I don't know where this
meeting took place, but I just met with him in New York City
two days ago. He is tireless, focused, and on our side with a
dash of pragmatism thrown in. The doctor was in the whole time,
and common sense was tossed out along with media objectivity.

If I sound biased in his direction, I am. I'm not defending a
friend because he's a friend. I'm defending a friend because
he also happens to be right.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 12:54 PM
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10. Hi DFW.....What a nice meeting you must have had.
There is a reason he rose so quickly in 2003. He is far too real for this party in many ways. They have practiced an artificial form of centrism for years which was geared to getting agendas into the Democratic party that are not that democratic.

There is also a reason he lost, and it was the same reason. He was too real and outspoken.

Glad you had a nice meeting with him. You are a lucky guy.

I am glad to see him speaking out about immigration, and I was impressed to see Senator Martinez getting some courage as well.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 03:34 PM
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12. Oooh Update: Dean makes Hot Air very angry indeed.
They do not like that he said this, and they are quite upset.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean yesterday said Republicans are targeting immigrants and told the Republican presidential candidates that the tone of their debates on the issue has become “outrageous.”

“Stop scapegoating immigrants and stop using immigration as a wedge issue,” Mr. Dean, a 2004 presidential hopeful, said in a conference call with reporters meant to set the stage for this weekend’s Republican presidential debate on Spanish-language network Univision.

Mr. Dean said that in the most recent debate, Republicans used “outrageous phrases like ‘illegal aliens.’ ” He urged the candidates to “have some morality and some humanity


They are outraged he would question the use of the words. They defend it as a legal term. They have an all attack on him for saying they are scapegoating immigrants.

I won't link there, but you can find it if you care enough. I think it is good to make Hot Air mad.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:39 AM
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13. Glad he spoke up for the Muslim community also. Others should as well.
Howard Dean tells muslim group: "stand up and say who you are and be proud of it."

"Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean told American Muslims gathered in Rosemont to think beyond voter registration drives.

"You need to run for political office," Dean said Saturday. "The only way you can achieve your goals is to stand up and say who you are and be proud of it."

Those in the packed house rose to their feet and applauded."

Others in our party need to speak up more obviously for minorities who are being treated badly by the GOP and Bush.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:15 AM
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15. Just realized I had the link to the wrong post.
Here it is.

Dean told Muslim group to stand up, be proud of who they were.

"Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean told American Muslims gathered in Rosemont to think beyond voter registration drives.

"You need to run for political office," Dean said Saturday. "The only way you can achieve your goals is to stand up and say who you are and be proud of it."

Those in the packed house rose to their feet and applauded"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:34 PM
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14. Tonight I thought of the efforts of these Dems and Republicans....
when I watched Cold Case on CBS about the Japanese interments in WWII.

They deserve credit for speaking out. Dean, Martinez, Cortes, and the others.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1685
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