Harry Reid's son Rory is chairman of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign in Nevada

You might wonder why Harry Reid changed the time for the vote on the Kyl/Lieberman amendment so that Barack Obama, who was waiting to vote on the bill, was told the time was suddenly changed. Then, after Obama left, the votes were cast 40 minutes later.

There is an Energy bill coming up this Saturday (why on a Saturday?) that allows Obama a small window of time to vote on due to events scheduled in Des Moines, Iowa with Oprah Winfrey. Reid scheduled the vote on Saturday for one simple reason... to help out his boy who is running the Clinton campaign in Nevada. If Obama has to leave to fly into bad weather in Iowa, it sure makes Hillary look good...doesn't it...

Or Reids insistence on towing the "centrists" line, to the detriment of congressional approval ratings?

Yeah, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

Like you said about the apple...

I stopped donating to the DSCC and DCCC because of the pro-Clintonian politics in both organizations (remember Bill's birthday wish for Hillary in a DCCC
fundraising appeal?). And now this Reid crap again. Fuck him and Rory.

Gossip based on entries from the ObamaGirlsBlogs aren't facts, no matter how many times ObamaNation spams DU with them.

The audacity in ignoring reality of some Obama supporters is astounding...

we can't be speaking truth to power, when winning is everything, especially in small towns in New England

Well, what is he supposed to be doing with the six figure salary Illinois taxpayers give him? The notion that Obama is an outsider is at best a stretch. He is a senator. He is beloved by the media. He has numerous endorsements from establishment figures. He has a lot of support from corporate interests. In what way is he an outsider?

He looks just like his dad.

The vile kyl-lieman bill cooked up for the bushites and ol' hillary couldn't wait to "YAY".

That's such bullshit. This Saturday vote is obviously more of the same.

Man, you guys are really ready to find excuses for this guy for everything...that's scary. Bush people are still finding excuses for him too...

No wonder it's nice hanging out in DC on Harry's time. Rory is a very happy boy.

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Just talk to some of the Edwards volunteers in Reno, you'll find out exactly how slimy the DLC, and all of their chums are.

Thanks for starting this thread, Zulch.

I knew about it before, but it's pretty damn obvious what the Reids are up to.

besides, all the other senators were able to make it. And wasn't Obama's excuse (or at least the excuse of his supporters on DU) on the day of the vote that he wasn't feeling well or something?

Yes, that is reasonable.

Maybe you live a life where a schedule is sort of optional, but when you are running for President and THOUSANDS of people want to see you speak, you can't be waiting around for some flunkie like Reid paying out for his boy to screw up the schedule.

Add that Hillary, who Reid's son is working for, could never get the rallies Obama is getting. Oh, wait, unless Bill is there. He might be too busy chasing skirt in Spain though.

Reid is an ass and so is his son for playing this game. Can Harry have the votes on normal working hours?

Yes Barack will vote don't worry he won't shame your family name DUNHAM and if Barack does miss a vote its because he always makes sure his vote isn't needed to break a te or make sure a bill passes.

http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html

Ancestry of Barack Obama


compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner



The following material on the immediate ancestry of Barack Obama should not be considered either exhaustive or authoritative, but rather as a first draft.

Christopher Challender Child and Robert Battle contributed to this report. In addition, corrections were provided by Joe David Bellamy, Judy Barry Strangfeld, Gratia Dunham Mahoney, Fred Chalfant, P. J. Evans, James Quinn, and James R. Kuttler.

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Its shameless and will backfire. People are not dumb thanks to people Like Obama who wants to keep the internet free of control and wants to put washington DC on google.

""Obama on Ethics and Lobbying Reform""
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/ethics_and_lobbying_reform/

Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has fought for open and honest government. As an Illinois State Senator, he helped pass the state’s first major ethics reform bill in 25 years. And as a U.S. Senator, he has spearheaded the effort to clean up Washington in the wake of numerous scandals.

In the first two weeks of the 110th Congress, Senator Obama helped lead the Senate to pass the Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act, a comprehensive ethics and lobbying reform bill, by a 96-2 vote. This landmark bill was signed into law by the President in September 2007.
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""Alone among the U.S. Presidential candidates"", Barack Obama is confronting the question of how to produce more accountable and effective politics in our democracy.

His just-released Tech Plan (Download Obama Tech Plan) uniquely understands that the time, expertise and enthusiasm that ordinary people invest in making Wikipedia better, for example, can be transformed into practices to make government work better and more accountably. So he doesn't just call for making information more transparent to citizens; he wants to hear what we have to say and enable us to participate. The Plan calls for citizen engagement in the work of federal agencies and demonstrates respect for the intelligence and expertise of the American people. He calls for opening up the closed practices of government and using new technology to enable genuine citizen participation and engagement in our democracy. This is a major and unprecedented step.
No other candidate “gets it.” They pay lip service to transparency. He proposes making government data available online as well as ensuring that agencies do their work in public. They talk about citizen congresses that would deliberate in quaint town hall meetings having nothing to do with real world politics or power.
He proposes engaging citizens in the actual and ongoing work and decision-making of government -- not Americans talking to elected officials but Americans genuinely participating. They talk about technology and innovation. He offers a comprehensive broadband strategy, commitment to media diversity, and a proposal to improve patent quality, including the practice of rigorous, public peer review like Peer-to-Patent. They talk about strong IP. He balances his support of strong IP with recognition of the need to promote collaboration and innovation.
I am excited about Obama’s Tech Plan. In fact, it should be called the “Democracy Plan.” He alone does what a President should do, namely articulate a vision for democracy in the digital age.

CLICK LINK TO SEE WHAT He wants to DO: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/danielleclarke/Cx84

This silly pipe dream belongs in the Humor Forum, not GD-P
:rofl:

There's plenty of evidence Obama got screwed on the K/L vote, but he hasn't said one word about it, even called his missing the vote "my mistake." Remininscent of his "I don't know how I would have voted" line about IWR in response to a question from Russert on what made him so much smarter than his Senate colleagues. Obama's never going to whine, and he's never going to make people look bad.

Now here we go again, with Reid's pro-Clinton son inevitably coloring any move he makes that inconveniences Obama, and a very curiously-timed Saturday vote. This time it's a little different in that many people are saying WTF? and pointing to the confusion on K/L as a precedent.

Hopefully, someone in the media picks up this story and grills Reid. He'll have good answers, no doubt, and Obama will play along. But it should put Reid on notice that, going forward, anything that smacks of partisanship on his end will be scrutinized.

Please show me evidence that Obama got screwed on the K/L vote.

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Mr. REID. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.

Mr. REID. Mr. Chairman, there will be no more votes tonight. We have tried to work something out on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment and the Biden amendment. We have been unable to do that.

We have been very close a few times, but we have just been informed that Senator Biden will not have a vote anytime in the near future. There will not be a vote on the other one anytime in the near future. We hope tonight will bring more clearness on the issue.

But right now, I think it is fair to say there will be no votes tonight.

Does the Senator from South Dakota have any comments?

Mr. THUNE. No, I do not. I would say to the leader, that is good for our Members to know. We have Members who have been inquiring whether they will be able to vote.
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That looks like it could mean several things. Saying "its fair to say there will be no votes tonight" makes it seem that there could be votes in the near future. He is also speaking about the Biden amendment, so it's not entirely clear what Harry Reid is saying. But did Biden show the next day? Did Hillary? Did Dodd? Surely they had some campaigning to do too, but they were there. To believe that this was intentionally orchestrated to screw Obama out of a vote, which is what you said, one would have to leave rationality at the door.


And of course, with a staff of what, 40, surely someone was charged with keeping up with when votes were going to be held. That's just common sense.

But you said there was plenty of evidence Obama was screwed out of the vote. Is this it? Is this the plenty of evidence? Is there further evidence? Because this alone just doesn't hold up.

With some more experience, perhaps even BO will learn how to find out when votes we be held.

I mean, talk about connecting the dots.

(BO is so hated by all those jealous Senators that not a single one tipped him there were pingpong balls in his locker)

Is that Harry Reid's fault too? Or is Obama more interested in his lust for power than doing what he is paid big money by hard-working Illinois residents to do?

Funny things happen in politics...the young Senator is soaring above his older colleagues and the Majority leader's son works for the frontrunner. Think they'd ever want to cook up some old fashioned comeuppance? Stranger things have happened in life.

You said there was plenty of evidence that Obama got screwed out of the K/L vote. I asked for it, and you gave me something short of it. There must be more evidence, if there is "plenty." Why not shut me up with facts if you have them?

Plus you have the assertion made in the OP; can't find a link on that, but, as an Obama supporter, it would be naive and irresponsible not to be a little suspicious of the establishment's capacity and desire to make the newbie look bad.

The best part is, none of this matters as Obama is starting to win anyway. If you think voters in Iowa are going to chanting "he missed Kyl/Lieberman!" on caucus night, when the alternative is to select someone who actually voted for it, knock yourself out.

In order to believe the desperate theory concocted by Obama's faithful supporters, in whose eyes he can do no wrong, you have to believe that Reid is so opposed to Obama that he would risk Democrats losing the 2008 election if Obama is the nominee (if we nominate Obama we will definitely here about his lack of audacity in taking stands...) all so he can reduce Obama's chances of winning the nomination. Umm, okay... Obama has a consistent record of dodging politically difficult votes. Kyl-Lieberman is just another in a long list.

He was given a "implied promise" that could not possibly be kept. Sen Widestance was told that his arrest and conviction would be kept quiet even though no one could garauntee that. Obama was told there would be no vote that evening, though no one could garauntee that.

And Obama believed it!! Maybe with some more experience, he'll learn that votes can happen at any time.

I understand, this isn't the first time I've asked an Obama suporter to back up his/her words with facts and have gotten spin instead.

And I surely understand suspicion, but the fact that 98 Senators, some of whom had campaigning to do too, showed up would mean this would have to have been a vast and wide conspiracy to keep Obama out of the vote. That is really reaching, and considering Obama's short voting record, probably ignoring the obvious, that he decided not to show for the vote.

And it's not so much that he missed the vote, though it would be nice to have a candidate who actually put some action behind his words, it's the audacity he displays when he sees fit to criticize a fellow candidate for her vote when he didn't bother to show up. Further, he had already stated that he was for designating that part of the Iranian military as "terrorists." It's the hyporcisy and the arrogance that really get me with this guy. And the default defense of, "it's somebody else's fault" you hear time and time again from some of his supporters, as if Obama is above being held accountable for his words and acitons, or lack thereof. Damn, we're trying to rid the WH of someone with those triats now.

K/L links force structuring in Iraq to Iran and could give cover to Bush to go to war with Iran; Clinton says she disagrees with that interpretation. This is why Biden and Dodd also opposed it. Obama's position is spelled out in this op-ed piece:

http://www.unionleader.com/pda-article.aspx?articleId=a41d44e5-0c56-4353-b9f6-5eda09c81236

From your link, on his problem with the bill he didn't vote on:

The amendment, offered by Sens. Joe Lieberman and Jon Kyl, directly links the ongoing war in Iraq -- including our troop presence -- to checking the threat from Iran. The amendment opens with 17 findings that highlight Iranian influence within Iraq. It then states that we have to "transition(s) and structure" our "military presence in Iraq" to counter the threat from Iran, and states that it is "a critical national interest of the United States" to prevent the Iranian government from exerting influence inside Iraq.
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and from his own website, a year ago:

A reduced but active presence will also send a clear message to hostile countries like Iran and Syria that we intend to remain a key player in this region…Make no mistake, if the Iranians and Syrians think they can use Iraq as another Afghanistan or a staging area from which to attack Israel or other countries, they are badly mistaken. It is in our national interest to prevent this from happening.

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/11/20/a_way_forward_in_iraq.php
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Will the real Obama please stand up.

If Obama says as President he will take steps to use U.S. forces to oppose terrorism in the Middle East, why does that mean he should automatically sign on to legislation that entrusts Bush with the same authority? Especially legislation that he, Biden and Dodd all say can be used to justify war with Iran. He doesn't trust giving Bush expanded powers, Clinton repeatedly does. Therein lies the difference.

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He had no idea Hillary was gonna vote yes on that bill.

Think about it. The debate was the very next evening. Why would Reid give Hillary "cover" by sending her to the wolves with a fresh vote in the newscycle?

supporting Thompson.

Sounds like someone else we know.


btw, CNN reported that Obama, and all Senators, had ample notice of the vote.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/2/222754/291


Gee, I hope Hillary doesn't make it rain on Obama's next campaign rally.

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CNN v some paid Obamatron's blog? We all know which ObamaNation'll believe...

Interesting that they don't mention which two CNN sources.

I think this link summarizes it much better.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/10/14/02149/153/336#c336

And by the way, Obama himself said that it was a mistake.

I do agree that this new story is being a little overblown by my fellow Obama supporters.

on this vote from meanie Reid" B.S.???? Who believes this drivel, but his more fervent fans? How come everybody else had plenty of notice? Did the other senators (specially Biden and Dodd) have a Reid son working for them too????

Please.........

Why was he in Maine instead of DC for the bill's debate the evening when the vote was supposed to happen?

Because he didn't give a flying fig about the vote (its passage was assured) and had no clue that Hillary was gonna vote yes.

It turned out to be 'big', and that's when he became interested.