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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 02:47 PM Original message |
Barack Obama and The Audacity of Deception |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. the source will be attacked very soon. |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Of course. |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. So you agree with his calling Hillary a "right-wing" Democrat? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. no, but then again he doesn't provide sourced stats to back that |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. You know very well he can play the same game with Hillary |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Those numbers are as close as their respective positions on most issues. |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. Hillary is not claiming to be an anti-establishment "outsider" like Obama... |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
53. Donations don't prove guilt |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. And read what else he says about Senator Clinton: |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. LOL...what a great source. I'm sure Hillary supporters will agree. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. That's opinion |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Typical Obama "New Politics" tactic: attack Clinton to divert attention from Obama |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. If you don't like it, take it up with the author. He's the guy the OP |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. what does Clinton have to do with Obama's deceptions? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 07:24 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Please try and keep up. We're discussing your source's deceptions here. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. and it damned well should be |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. what facts and figures in the article are inaccurate? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. It falsely claims that companies are donating cash |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. No it doesn't |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. This article starts off with a big fat lie. |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. you are being misleading |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. No, I am not being misleading. |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. yeah, and that is the end around via which they buy candidates |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. That would also be a crime. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. How likely is it |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Most fundraising is done through networking. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Does that buy access? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Candidates tend to raise money from people |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. according to Open Secrets |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. thanks for refuting Obama myths with facts |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. No, individual contributions are not the same |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Another Obama apologist who can't acknowledge facts |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I'm right and you're wrong (in addition to being melodramatic). n/t |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Here's some facts for you |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. *crickets* |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. So? |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. what a condescending attitude toward Jim, who seems to be a good poster |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 05:18 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Okay DMC. n/t |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
54. Then why is Hillary attacked so often for accepting them? n/t |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. for whatever it is worth |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
10. "The Great Pretender" |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
15. I don't even know why I wander into GD:P any more. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. Did you read the OP? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. why are we wasting our time cuke? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I like to point out the hypocrisy |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
20. Say it isn't so! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
22. Breaking |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Also breaking: you need money to run a campaign. n/t |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
55. Edwards is by far the worst though. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
33. Breaking Breaking |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
34. This reads like a low-level entry in a high school essay contest. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Another Obama supporter who can't defend Obama |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 01:45 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. So whaddya want, the impossible? |
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Progress And Change (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-07-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. So Obama is not heavily financed by the insurance industry, corporations, banks, and lobbyists? |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-08-07 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
49. I'm wondering if you have climbed all the way up his butt and laid eggs. |
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