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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 05:26 PM
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Isn't it ironic?
That a few weeks or months ago polls were "unreliable", "manipulated", "not credible", "paws (or prawns as I like to call them)of the MSM/KKKarl/DLC", "no one called ME!", "I don't believe it" ..... etc when they showed Hillary Clinton in the lead?

Well NOW ..... Bambi is happily skipping through the forest, the sky has opened up and rose petals are gently drifting down to earth spreading joy and love across the land.

Isn't that strange?
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 05:27 PM
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1. In the eye of the beholder?
Yeah, some things never change.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 05:56 PM
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2. They sure don't
I like that pic of Joe B.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:23 PM
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3. Thanks
I was going for Goldwater-Miller, but they don't show up in the POLLS!:dilemma:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:27 PM
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4. the polls months ago were unreliable because Hillary's lead was based on name recognition
Now that people are getting a good look at her, you see what is happening.

The polls are coming into focus with reality.

I'm sorry that your candidate isn't as well-loved as advertised.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:28 PM
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5. and here comes JackO for the spin!!
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 06:29 PM by ronnykmarshall
Whoooo! HOOOOO!!!

Great job!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:52 PM
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14. do you deny her Frontrunner title was based on the fact that her name is Clinton?
However, that name doesn't seem to hold the power it once did.

People are growing rather tired of it, actually.
They want some substance.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:54 PM
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15. Don't bet the farm on that.
We have a RACE. I've said it from the start. You wanna blow hot air that Hillary's toast .... knock yourself out.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:57 PM
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17. yesterday she was the Frontrunner, now we have a Race, tomorrow she is Toast
It's called a Trend.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 08:06 PM
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20. It's called wishfull thinking on Edbama nations part
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:30 PM
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6. I think a lot of people qualified those comments
by saying that polls wouldn't matter until a few weeks out of the primarys. Here we are, a few weeks out, and the polls within Iowa and NH do matter at this point.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:31 PM
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7. Annnnnnnnd spin #2!!
I guess a red alert went out to the camp O shovel team.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:34 PM
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8. I'm sorry that anyone who attempts to answer your question is "spinning" to you.
But thats ok, you're worried and desperate. I understand, I was a Clark supporter last cycle.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:41 PM
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10. That's one heavy shovel you got thar!
and anyone one that dares to question the mighty Team O is "worried and desperate".

I'm not worried about shit. It's a fucking election. Same shit different year.

Trust me, my world will not come crashing down IF Hillary doesn't get the nomination.

I was for Clark too in 2004.

Ironic it was the Team Dean's pompous and arrogance on DU that helped push me in favor of Wes.

Not unlike the Team O in '08.

Yeah, I've been for Hillary from the start, but if Obama gets the nomination ..... I'll vote that's it, not a penny, no bumper sticker, yard sign .... nada. For the first time in my life I'll do the "I'll hold my nose and vote". I've been turned off by him and his supporters in this process.

Flame on.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:55 PM
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16. you are mistaken here. We are not all in Camp O. That is your miscalculation.
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 06:56 PM by JackORoses
We are supporters of various Democrats who will unite together to ensure that Hillary is not our nominee.

Too bad that Hillary and her crew have burned so many bridges.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:04 PM
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18. Thats basically the crux of it...I support any Democrat that can beat Hillary
Right now it looks like Obama. 5 weeks from now it could be Dodd for all I care. I love all but one (maybe 2...Kuccinich is a kook) of our candidates.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 08:07 PM
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21. Please ....
The anti-Hillary forces have torched more bridges than they built.

Next.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:40 PM
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9. The reverse also seems to be true.
Suddenly the polls are no longer trustworthy to some who seemed ok with them before. :shrug:

I think they all suck and are used to manipulate people more than anything, but it's been funny watching both sides change their tune on them as suits their needs.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:43 PM
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11. I was never "OK" when them.
I've said from the start it was a race. Period.

Don't make me go all Gamera on your ass.

:silly:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:49 PM
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12. Well I didn't mean you, silly!
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 06:49 PM by Forkboy
And Gamera is a wuss anyways. Friggin' flying turtle...whoever heard of that? Now a huge ass lizard that breaths fire I can believe in. :freak:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:51 PM
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13. LOL!
Don't get me started on that lame ass moth!

Pfft!
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 08:09 PM
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22. Really?
I don't see anyone saying that Obama is paying the pollsters the way Obama supporters said that Clinton was paying the pollsters. I don't see Clinton supporters claiming the polls are wrong because they don't poll cell phone users.

All I see is Clinton supporters arguing that polls are nothing more than a snapshot in time; the same thing we have said all along
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:06 PM
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19. The reason the polls were unreliable was they were all based on name-recognition
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 07:07 PM by calteacherguy
As voters get to know the candidates, a clearer picture emerges.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 08:18 PM
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23. Ronny, you are so silly. :)
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