I have to say I agree with Hillary on this one

Colobo

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Mon Dec-10-07 01:41 AM
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I have to say I agree with Hillary on this one

Am I just crazy? Is it just me? Because that makes a lot of sense to me. In fact, it made a lot of sense to Hillary Clinton, in 1993.

"The individual mandate create some additional problems, at least as we analyze them. It makes it very difficult to determine and monitor who is in the system and who is out. It would require tracking individuals as they move in and out of jobs, as they move in and out of the insurance market. And it would mean, if you provided a subsidy scheme to support low-wage individuals, a determination as to when their income reached some arbitrary level as to what kind of subsidy they would still be entitled to. It would require, in our view, the IRS to engage in an enormous administrative oversight of our health care system." - HRC, 1993

http://www.time.com/...

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In fact, in 1993 it was the Republicans who wanted individual mandates. They wanted to ensure that if every American was receiving universal healthcare, that the insurance companies were getting a piece of the pie. In 1993, Democrats were attacking individual mandates from the left by saying that, wait for it, the government would be forcing you to buy healthcare insurance that you may not be able to afford.

Who was leading that charge? Hillary Rodham Clinton. From the left.

Now let me ask you something, can you tell me right now that every person living in poverty will be able to afford healthcare under the Clinton plan? If you can't tell me that, you had better have a damn good reason why we should be mandating that poor Americans pay for healthcare they cannot afford.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/10/116/99540

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sandnsea

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Mon Dec-10-07 01:54 AM
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1. It's not the people in poverty

Here's what happens every single time the Democrats implement any sort of program. There is full help for the ones in real poverty, medicaid, head start, food stamps, etc. There is a nice package of tax credits for the upper 40% or so.

It's those between 200% of poverty and the upper 40% who end up screwn. The tax credits aren't enough to help them offset the cost of purchasing anything and they make to much to qualify for any kind of federal assistance.

Even a cap would be too high because they never understand how a "reasonable percentage" is such a huge amount of your real income.

I support a mandated health program - when we have a definite plan with real monthly subsidies that real people can really afford.

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Munch

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Mon Dec-10-07 02:10 AM
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2. Deja vu all over again

That's exactly the problem with John Edwards' universal health care plan.

Individual mandates. IRS oversight. Wage garnishments and collection agencies.

We are talking universal health insurance here -- NOT health care. Big difference.

The biggest beneficiaries? Duh. That would be the big insurance companies.

And a lot of little people will get squeezed, between a rock and a hard place.

Single payer. It's the only way to fly.

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pnwmom

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Mon Dec-10-07 02:18 AM
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3. Welcome to DU, Munch! n/t

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Munch

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Mon Dec-10-07 02:55 AM
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5. Thank you! n/t

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glowing

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Mon Dec-10-07 02:38 AM
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4. Mandates are ridiculous to me.. If I don't have the money now... how

will forcing me or wage garnishing help me later... The insurance companies are not going to give this away... There will be a rebellion on mandated healthcare and then nothing, once again, will be done... Dennis has a better plan and its along the lines of what most Americans want... One system to pay into nationwide with an pro-active agency that works to push down the costs of drugs and care... Medicare, now, seems to pay some of the highest premiums.. more so than many private insurance co... Also, with overall care healthcare checkups, preventative care is less costly than waiting until conditions become expensive like diabetes and heart disease... It would also be prudent for us and a President to realize that utilizing the FDA, EPA, and OSHA the correct ways (helping and protecting Americans) will decrease cancer rates, decrease obeisity and the correlating health problems, diabetes, heart disease... There are reasons so many people are trying to eat and grow organic foods and supplement their diets with vitamins and minerals. The Internet has done a wonderful job of also giving people a way to learn alternative treatments (mostly because with lack of insurance, it becomes one of the only ways). Its amazing the crap our govt does to us...

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BootinUp

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Mon Dec-10-07 08:57 AM
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7. There is like 110 billion in the plan

to help those who can't afford it.

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BlueIris

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Mon Dec-10-07 08:54 AM
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6. Kick.

No flames, just hoping for further meaningful discussion.

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wyldwolf

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Mon Dec-10-07 09:18 AM
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8. Bad Oppo Alert! – Hillary Has Always Supported An Individual Mandate

Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 09:20 AM by wyldwolf

In fact, her 1993 legislation included an individual mandate.

In 1994, there was a Republican plan by the late John Chafee that would have replaced the employer-based health care system with individual market insurance and a stand-alone individual mandate. At the time, people commonly used the term "individual mandate" to refer to Chafee's plan. Her criticisms were of the Chafee plan – and the challenges of abandoning the employer based system that insured most Americans -- not of the concept of individual mandate itself.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=4408

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cuke

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Mon Dec-10-07 10:15 AM
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9. Another Obama lie put to rest

People too young to remember those times should be more careful when analyzing what was said and what it meant

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BootinUp

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Mon Dec-10-07 10:54 AM
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10. thanks. nt

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