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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:36 AM
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Hillary: "Obama is a Crack Head!"
Of course she didn't.
But Arianna Huffington, a serial Clinton Hater, has posted an item that suggests this is what's meant by a memo someone sent someone.
This shit has already hit the DU fan:
"As Iowa Nears, Clinton Allies Quietly Raise Obama's Cocaine Use"
"Can anyone recall Clintons questioning Bush's cocaine use the way they question Obama's"
No one other than HuffPo "raised" Obama's cocaine use or "questioned" it, facts ignored by "outraged" DUers.
My thoughts on this are best summerized by a response posted to HuffPo by "lentinelia":

"Obama wrote about his using drugs as a young man."
"It is only natural that Hillary Clinton be vilified for this revelation."

DU - you've been played.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:39 AM
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1. HRC has mentioned being a GOLDWATER GIRL in her youth
Guess that is fair to point out often. :D
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:50 AM
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13. Sure it is fair to point out, it just comes off as really lame
Still Clinton should be prepared to deal with any questions she might get about why she "was a conservative" when she was young. You can not force the media and Republicans to only raise relevent issues in a fair way, you have to be able to deal with it all.

Like I posted elsewhere, I think Obama is very capable of turning attacks against him based on youthful drug use around, making him look good in the process. But if he isn't up to that challenge it is better to find out now than after he potentially is our nominee.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:55 AM
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22. Lame perhaps, to pick on a candidate's self admitted youthful actions.
Sure. So, HRC bringing up cocaine use in the past by another candidate is lame. Ah, the campaign is getting lame. Knew it would come to this.

And if HRC isn't up the the challenge of having to explain (everytime some lame pol brings it up) about her GOP campaigning in her youth, well, it is better to find that out now also.

Sauce is good for geese and ganders.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:06 PM
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28. I support equel opportunity for geese and ganders
I don't think I ever suggested that it would not be useful to know if Clinton were up to defending why she was a Goldwater girl when she was 14. If she can't handle that line of attack I emphatically state that she should not be our nominee.

Personally I think the fact that Obama tried crack as a youth is equally as non relevent as Hillary liking Goldwater when she was 14. It is not as obvious though whether those two factoids are as equally irrelevent to the General Public. The published story about all of this cited public opinion polls that show strong majorities of voters disinclined to support political candidates who at one time experimented with drugs. No such polls have been published that I know of showing voters rejecting teen agers who backed Barry Goldwater in 1964.

Look, I am pro Obama on this one. I hope he kicks some media ass on this thing about youthful drug use, and I think he is the guy capable of doing just that. Most youth and most boomers will back him up strongly on this if he faces it down, along with just about anyone who has a reasonable bone in their body. But it is a legitimate political issue that has gotten other candidates in trouble, to varying degree in different races, in the past. All Obama has to do is step up and deal with it effectively. If he can't though, that would be a problem.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:20 PM
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34. Thom Hartmann campaigned for Goldwater in his youth too,
and look how well he turned out ....

I don't think we should draw any conclusions based on what they did as kids or young immature adults. Heck, when Robert Byrd was young, he belonged to the KKK, and look how well he's turned out.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:37 PM
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48. We agree, sometimes young people do silly things. Some of them grown up
So, a bit of drug experimentation in youth? Fine by me. Hell, I'm the only person I know who DIDN'T do it.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:19 PM
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52. And Reagan started out as a liberal. How much of that did he retain?
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:40 AM
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2. oh whatever
you're telling me Hippie Hillary never did anything.

give me a break....

Everyone in the 60s tried something
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:43 AM
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5. No that's not true,
not everyone in the 60's tried something. I don't think it's a big deal if they did, but at least have some proof before assuming that Hillary experimented with drugs.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:44 AM
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6. I bet she was clean, all pepped up on Goldwater
Hateful of the counterculture...
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:51 AM
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14. I agree - and then she met Bill

and inhaled the heady drug of political ambition - and the rest, unfortunately for us,
is history. To me neither of them qualifies as a hippie. And that's to their discredit.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:53 AM
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20. agreed. Peace and low stress
God Bless!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:51 AM
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15. I don't think that she ever used drugs.
The letters that she wrote to a friend while in college show her displeasure for another friend's consumption and how she had a serious talk with that girl about the evils of drugs. Not every 60s youth was a hippie existing on a diet of free love and drugs.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:54 AM
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21. I agree with you. She was a straight & rigidly ambitious
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 11:56 AM by marylanddem
Goldwater girl who got hooked on a guy's sexy way of "thoughtfully" biting his lower lip...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:26 PM
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37. Actually,
she has said that the first thing that she noticed about him were his hands.

As for being a Goldwater girl, she was raised Republican and she was only 17 at the time.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:42 AM
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3. um, coke-head, not crack-head
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:45 AM
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8. love your sig
:kick:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #8
26. thank you
:hi:

i was inspired by DUers.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:55 AM
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23. Nah, 'crack head' tested better in the focus group.
And we all "know" Hillary only uses poll-approved phrases and cackles.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:00 PM
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25. true
the wind is blowing that way, eh?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:43 AM
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4. HRC is a AU H2O Drug Warrior that supports the drug war
Sure Oprah Winfrey admitted to using crack. So the fuck what?
She wasn't born with a silver spoon up her nose like *.
Hillary can fight the losing drug war / Iraq war all she wants.
I really can't stand her but know my dislike for her pales in comparison of the right wing. They hate her twice as much.
God, she is going to make another awful president.
If * can be a coked up president, then so can Obama.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:46 AM
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10. Why would you say that Clinton's fighting
the losing Iraq war. Obama has pretty much the same voting record that she does re Iraq, and Edwards was even worse.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:52 AM
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16. They are all in it to win it my friend
I would love JE or BA to win, but I doubt anyone can beat HRC. I think she will be the next President.

Only Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul have it right. Both are also right on the drug war. HRC, JE, and BO (and of course the whole GOP pool) are all wrong on that as well.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:45 AM
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7. The Clintons are a sinking ship

And I'm sure nothing drives either of these two egotists crazier than the notion that they may become irrelevant...
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:48 AM
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12. I hope Chelsea leads a wonderful and happy life away from politics
I never want to see a Clinton/Bush again in public life.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:46 AM
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9. People are going to read the Subject line and believe it.
Sad.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:02 PM
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27. "I saw it on DU, so it must be true" We should cafepress that...
Down thread, no doubt, will be posts screaming at 'Hitlery' for using KKKarl Rove tactics...
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:47 AM
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11. I'll pay you 20 bucks if you take the word "progressive" out of your name.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:52 AM
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17. "No one ever forgets where they...
...buried the hatchet." - Joe Neptune.
"take the word "progressive" out of your name."
Why? Because I don't buy into the faux hysteria caused by every HillHate post?
"Progressive" doesn't mean "Sheep" bth. Just my opinion. Your's may by different.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #17
55. your head. thousand miles higher: point
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #11
18. LOL! post.of.the.day
brilliant!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:11 PM
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30. ...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:thumbsup:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:53 AM
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19. Please consider editing your title
adding something like Accused of
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:21 PM
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35. Jim, ObamaNation doesn't want you to think 'accused', they want you to think she said it,
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 12:24 PM by MethuenProgressive
and have you buy the HuffPo propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:00 PM
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24. Typical Arianna column. I have
been banned from Huff Post because I dared to criticize her. I was only stating the obvious but still I can't post anymore. Obviously little old silver-haired ladies from TN are on their shit list.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:09 PM
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29. The gossip was from Huffington sockpuppet "Thomas B. Edsall"
who is listed as "the political editor of the Huffington Post."
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:15 PM
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31. As you might remember
Clinton's marijuana use also came up. He responded "he didn't inhale" of which I don't think anyone really was convinced. But, my point is, he was able to deflect the accusation by responding it was many years ago. Most people are willing to let youthful drug use pass. Cocaine, I realize, is a step up from marijuana, but still, I think Obama will be able to weather this one.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:26 PM
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38. "Obama will be able to weather this one." Weather *what* one?
You know that no one has done what the HuffPo has suggested, don't you?
Even the HuffPo, on careful reading, admits they have no proof what they say happened, happened.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:18 PM
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41. Any mentions
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 01:22 PM by goodgd_yall
of former cocaine use, real or not, by anyone.

I'm not suggesting the Clinton campaign is really pursuing this attack on Obama, but it will come up again. I don't think it will hurt him.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:25 PM
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44. "I don't think it will hurt him." He handled this already - HuffPo is stirring shit against Clinton.
Someone else said it better than I could:

"Obama wrote about his using drugs as a young man."
"It is only natural that Hillary Clinton be vilified for this revelation."
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:16 PM
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32. I agree that your OP title stinks n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:19 PM
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33. It's exactly what ObamaNation wants you to think happened.
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 12:22 PM by MethuenProgressive
And yes, that "stinks".
"Obama wrote about his using drugs as a young man."
"It is only natural that Hillary Clinton be vilified for this revelation."

DU - you've been played.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:20 PM
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42. Yes, that was my point
What "stinks" about it is that the reader may actually think Hillary Clinton said the words in quotes, or made some type of charge about Obama.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:22 PM
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43. My point too, goodgd.
:shrug:
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:21 PM
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36. The NAFTA queen who does not give a damn about the Middle Class
or the living wage working class.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. Yeah! How can the middle class afford their crack nowadays??
Damn that NAFTA!! Dman it to Hell!!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:04 PM
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40. 2000 reads, 150 replies, and 18 recs - for faux outrage over gossip...
"Obama wrote about his using drugs as a young man."
"It is only natural that Hillary Clinton be vilified for this revelation."

DU is still being played by ObamaNation.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:29 PM
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45. I don't think DU is being played
I think we don't really care for hrc:shrug:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. you are brilliant
:patriot:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:33 PM
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47. wow now all the people who have supported the dems throughout the last 7 years are enemy's of
the Hillary supporters..wow they really hate the messengers don't they?

i feel like i am seeing the same * sheeple only this time a different name is involved.

wow..i need to go for a walk on the beach..the air stinks here anymore..

fly
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:56 PM
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49. Link???
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 01:57 PM by proudmoddemo
I would like a link to the article so I can read it and judge for myself instead of being told what to think about it by Hillaryworld.

And it's true: Hillary's campaign is being really nasty. I know that's an unapproved thought, but it is my opinion.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:16 PM
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50. Obama used drugs as a young person...
As a GROWN ADULT, Hillary perpetuates the neocon warmongering machine that is destroying
this country, our democracy and any hope for a healthy future that our children and
grandchildren have.

Hillary Clinton and her paid-whispering minions needs to shut the fuck up.
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:18 PM
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51. Does this mean that Obama can question Hillary's sexuality?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:33 PM
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53. Obama admitted to drug and alcohol use.
Nobody dug dirt, he has written and talked about it. Where is there any proof that Hilary is a lesbian? The Advocate had the nerve to ask her that question recently and she denied it. If there's proof to the contrary, then they should put it out there for all to see.

The "lesbian" charge is one that most powerful women have heard at one time or another. It's usually spouted by little men who are afraid of a strong woman. ie: Tucker Carlson, Tweety, most Repugs, etc.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:36 PM
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54. One inconvenient problem with that
Hillary has flatly denied being anything other than a heterosexual woman. Obama has clearly stated that he experimented with drugs. If real evidence emerged that Hillary is lying someone no doubt would make that into a campaign issue, sure. Republicans would go ape shit with it, getting much more milage out of that than they ever could over Obama's having used drugs when he was young.
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