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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:25 PM
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Clinton insiders question Penn's approach - "The heat's on Mark. ... He's got a lot of enemies."
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 11:26 PM by jefferson_dem
Newsday.com
Clinton insiders question top aide's approach
BY GLENN THRUSH
8:36 PM EST, December 12, 2007

DES MOINES

On the eve of the final Iowa debate before the Jan. 3 caucuses, Clinton campaign insiders are increasingly questioning the cautious, poll-driven approach taken by Mark Penn, Hillary Rodham Clinton's top political aide, sources familiar with the situation say.

With Clinton barely holding her own against Barack Obama and John Edwards in Iowa, dissatisfaction is growing with Penn, who some say has mistakenly run Clinton as a de facto incumbent.

"There are two people who have come up with this strategy -- one Hillary Clinton and one Mark Penn," said a top Clinton ally, speaking on condition of anonymity. "Mark wanted to run her, basically, for re-election, and we are seeing what happened."

Said another Clinton camper: "The heat's on Mark. ... He's got a lot of enemies."

Penn didn't respond to requests for comment. Campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson downplayed the dissent.

Clinton's aides insist that no shake-up is imminent and that Penn still has her ear. But they concede Bill Clinton has taken a more active behind-the-scenes role as her campaign flags.

For months, tension has been building between the "Hillary" and "Bill" parts of the team, say several people familiar with the situation. Bill Clinton -- along with former White House hands, including Paul Begala, known jokingly as the "White Boys" -- have counseled her to adopt a far more aggressive approach with Obama.

Penn, sources say, has counseled moderation, believing an attack would elevate her already-high negatives and drive her too far to the left to win a general election.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:27 PM
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1. HIS COMPANY DEFENDED UNOIN CARBIDE
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 11:38 PM by seemslikeadream
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:29 PM
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2. If you have "high negatives"
how would that drive you "too far left"? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:30 PM
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3. Hillary Really Doesn't Have Good Choices
The "resistance is futile" thing worked well for a while, but now it's crumbling. But whenever she attacks, she looks awful - shrill and contrived. Her camp tried attacking other candidates by claiming that they were attacking her, but that was just silly - particularly the bizarre claim that she was being swiftboated like Max McClellan.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:35 PM
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5. Shrill and Contrived
That kind of crap ARE the attacks on Hillary.

and they are right out of Rove's mouth.

Why don't you just go for hard and brittle --hey add bitchy while you're at it.
Maybe desperate and hysterical too! All of these are typical attack words against powerful women.


Obama is playing a Rovian game on the best candidate we have --and you are wallowing in it.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:58 PM
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7. right on sister!
nt
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:32 AM
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8. Bravo.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:54 AM
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10. Why do you hate America? Why do you hate Hillary? ARe you a card carrying Republican? ;-)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:32 PM
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4. Hillaryworld is falling apart...
It couldn't happen to a nicer cackler.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:37 PM
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6. Cackle
another buzz word attack.

You mean like a witch?

ooooh scary scary Hillary!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:33 AM
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9. Your comment is so.......... you
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 03:00 PM
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11. Do they understand that Obama's record is fair game for attacks?
It's the petty, personal insults that drives up Clinton's negatives.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 03:03 PM
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12. Anybody's record is fair
game..like you said..it's the petty shite that leaves 'em wondering who's in charge.
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