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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:12 AM
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I have had it with Hillary! Novak was right about the smear plans.
I was told previously that Hillaries comments regarding the Kerry "stuck in Iraq" gaffe
was a calculated knife in the back.

NOW I BELIEVE IT.

Her behavior now is inexcusable.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:14 AM
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1. I read yesterday that whatever this Novak scandal is supposed to be
He plans to release it on Monday. It may be rumor that he will, we'll see.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:17 AM
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2. scandal about what? I didn't hear
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:22 AM
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6. Who knows?
This was a while ago that Novak wrote Clinton "agents" had some scandal on Obama they were not releasing. It turned out it was more of an Democratic Party leader who had heard this from a Clinton "agent." Obama challenged Hillary to come out with whatever it was. I thought this was good, two birds with one stone. Clinton supporters and others thought he played into Novak's hands on a non-existent scandal or if there were a scandal, Clinton had nothing to do with it. So, we'll see what he's got, I guess, on Monday.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:36 AM
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13. Nothing gets by Hillary. Its her business to know what all hands
are doing. It is one of the impediments she learned in the all-girl school, remember?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:18 AM
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3. the Novak scandal is about Novak repeating GOP fact-less smears
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:20 AM
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5. about clinton or other candidates?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:54 AM
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29. I hated GOP steno Anderson in the 50's -Novak inherited the column and was/is again a GOP steno that
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 08:54 AM by papau
smears any and all Democrats.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:20 AM
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4. He did a column on it today. The big scandal was Obama's PAC which actually
made contributions to Hillary's Senate Campaign.

It is already out there. It is nothing.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:23 AM
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7. Do you have a link?
I would like to read it. Thanks.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:25 AM
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10. Here you go
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:05 AM
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17. That's good - it's what I was hoping for
Obama broke no FEC regulation and fully reported the donations. A leadership PAC is meant to support Democratic candidates across the country, as his did. He donated to Democratic candidates who both endorsed him and did not endorse him. He donated to some who endorsed Clinton, in fact.

If this what they got, they got nuthin'.

However, a full media discussion of how and where all of the candidates dispersed support is probably forthcoming and will widen. Payment of campaign debts of high level endorsers. Fat contracts for state endorsers. How much dough plowed into early states leading in to the primaries. All of it.

Should be great for the Repukes, who won't be touched.

Just what we needed, eh?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:05 AM
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26. Some background/analysis from TPM:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:24 AM
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8. People would rather believe Novak then our democratic candidates.
We are truly in Alice in Wonderland where the world is upsided down. Right is wrong, back is front. Novak is an acceptable source of journalism.

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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:18 PM
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28. I gave Hill the benefit of the doubt re Comment on Kerry -- maybe there was a
missunderstanding. But I no longer believe that seeing how she is smearing Obama.
I now believe she would knife Kerry in the back, or Gore for that matter, to get
her chance in the White House.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:24 AM
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9. the three ugliest words in the English language
"Novak was right."

I'm aghast.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:25 AM
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11. Well, if you believed Novak before, then you should probably...
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 09:26 AM by TwilightZone
believe him now: http://www.suntimes.com/news/novak/694617,CST-EDT-novak13.article

It had nothing to do with the coke story.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:35 AM
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12. Fortunately for us all, Novakula will again be in NH...
will probably get drunk again...and this time, I hope the person he attacks physically will deck him.

Novak did leak Plame and whatever else was leakable. Not exactly a sterling kind of character.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:37 AM
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14. Agreed.
I have no idea why anyone ever believes anything he says. His motives are rather obvious.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:53 AM
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15. Remember, Novak is a traitor
he outed a CIA agent. If we still had a Republic, this man would be in jail or worse.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:16 AM
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19. If we had a Dem president who wasn't protecting Poppy Bush's secrecy
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 10:17 AM by blm
and privilege throughout the 90s the entire core of BushInc would have been put in jail after the BCCI report was released.

There should never have BEEN a Bush2. No 9-11. No Iraq war.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:20 AM
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20. We had a Dem president in the 90s that most Americans would crave to do again
Why do you do the rightwing's bidding for them all the time, blm? Isn't it enough that we had to put up with all their smears on Bill Clinton, and now we've got to listen to yours all the time, too? Which side are you working for?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:24 AM
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21. I side with open government that protects YOUR right to honest and accountable governance
I defended Clinton against RW lies about him, but I am honest about his role in in protecting Poppy Bush's secrecy and privilege.

What's YOUR story? Defend Bill at all cost to our right to open government?
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:02 AM
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16. that is why she will be the best candidate against the repukes
she can dish it out and she can take it....she knows how to respond...the other candidates are being to nice about these smears....imho
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:07 AM
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18. No. She no longer gets any respect. It is one thing to respect and fear someone
tough. It is another thing to see them as scum and view them with contempt which is how a lot of us now view the Clinton campaign - and we are Democrats.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:34 AM
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23. "she can take it"? She's been crashing in the polls ever since she started the attacks.
How can you not see that?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:23 AM
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27. I'd rather have a president who doesn't get into a four year food fight!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:29 AM
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22. NovaK? IHillary isn't my choice (I don't have one yet) but if you are buying
into Novak spin you may as well be one of the 29%.

Yeesh.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:38 AM
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24. Novak is happy to do for Hillary Clinton what he did for that other woman, Valerie Plame. Smear her.
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 10:39 AM by terisan
It is interesting that you use the smear-artist and confidante of Karl Rove as a credible source.

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:02 AM
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25. Oh deary me.....I HAVE HAD IT FROM DAY ONE WITH OBAMA
when he started the smears against Hillary..but to the suck uppers that's ok. Now a rumor says Clinton's campaign questions Obama's early drug use and his supporters not only pee their pants they crap in them also...I guess he can't take it can he...he throws is out but when it comes back he sticks his head in the sand...boo boo wonder how high he will jump. Or will he call Oprah to chase the bad little old people away.
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