May I suggest a GD:GE2004 Forum be started soon?

The Nader threads are not productive in the discussion of the remaining Primary candidates.

Nader is not a Democrat, and the Primary we are interested in is the Democratic Primary.

Nader is declaring for the GE, and therefore discussion of Nader and his candidacy belongs there.

I reiterate that in my opinion, any such discussion should be limited to the Nader candidacy as it relates to the future Democratic nominee, just as discussion of Bush is so limited.

We do not tolerate Bush supporters on this forum. I suggest that anyone running as an oponent of the Democratic nominee be given equal treatment in the DU rulebook.

Edited for spelling

That way I could ignore the whole Forum.

I got so discouraged today that I considered leaving DU--and I've been coming here since the earliest days.

We'll have to put up with it till then.

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3rd Party candidates anymore.

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Boy, some Kerry supporters sure are counting their chickens.

Amazing.

just a desire to focus on the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.

Campaigning for the GE has obviously begun in the GOP camp, and now in the Nader camp.

I was asking for clarification, not counting any chickens.

Further, I supported Dean with all my heart, donated everything I could, and only began supporting Kerry after Dean pulled out of the race.

Sorry, but I don't deserve this snarky response to a request for information.

You see, it's our fault that Dean squandered his war chest at the same time he fell flat on his face in Iowa. It's also our fault that more people voted for Kerry than Dean, and that polls in other states show more of the same, and therefore Kerry is the nominee apparent. It's our fault that Dean fell off his throne after a year of press crowning him the inevitable nominee.

It's a conspiracy. Kerry supporters at DU were in on it. Now you are part of the conspiracy too.

Focus on the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY?? *gasp* Sacrilege! :spank:

What do you think this is anyway? A primary forum?

I know few Dean supporters who subscribe to the view you satirize in your first paragraph. I also don't want to be lumped in with others who have, let's face it, dogged Dean from the beginning. Kerry has benefited from adopting many of Dean's successful strategies. A little gratitude would be nice, or at least a little understanding that people are wounded here, and lashing out.

My response was directed to Eloriel, who misread me, and my post. I'd prefer to straighten it out between us.

Now, the last part of your post, I'm all the way there with you on that one, Murikan! (And I like your screen name, too.)

Consider me a Kerry supporter who has weighed the odds. I feel it's my duty to get behind the eventual winner of the nomination, and if the winds change, and that means Edwards, my wagon circles around him. I'm about defending the eventual nominee from Bush attacks, and tearing down Bush every chance I get. So, in that sense, I wouldn't call us compatriots. But we're heading down the same path together, and might be able to help each other out. We're all in dire straits, and I'll be damned if I see what happened in our beautiful state of CA happen in the rest of the country.

We lost in CA because we couldn't rally around either Davis or Bustamente. We were Dems in limbo. No more limbo for me. Now that Dean has left the race, anyone who goes after either Kerry or Edwards, and by association, anyone who supports Nader, is my enemy. In that sense, yes, we are part of the same conspiracy.

I wasn't referring to all Dean supporters, but only to Eloriel. My observations agree with yours, as I note only a small but vocal minority of Dean supporters who behave .. well ... you know. Also, I wasn't around here until shortly before the Iowa Primary, and then only reading till I joined a couple weeks later. So I'm not aware of or part of what took place prior to 6 or 7 weeks ago.

We are indeed compatriots as far as circling the wagons around the nominee. If that designation should go to Edwards I'll be behind him 100%. Nader is the opposition - no different than Bush, and in some ways worse.

You're from Calif - ugh - what a nightmare that was to witness. It's just unbelievable they could pull the Governorship out from under Davis like that. Repubs will stop at nothing.

Cheers :toast:

There was a really wonderful energy here in the early days of the Dean campaign. Wish you had been able to see it.

Anyhow, yeah, we're all in the same boat now, eh?

The thing about CA was, the Democratic Party was in total disarray here. I called the state headquarters and said I was a concerned Dem, and wanted to jump in feet first to help out. Just tell me what to do. They hemmed and hawed and said that they hadn't decided who we should back. It was a total joke. This was 6 weeks before the election. So it wasn't really the Repugs, at least not all of it. It was the Dem party staring at its navel and paralyzed by its own leaders. Feinstein really let us all down by not being a clear leader, and by not running for Gov. (Oh, a preventative measure here...Yeah, yeah, she was IWR, whatever...she's a goddam Dem, not a robogropper who now thinks he should be allowed to run for Pres. in 2008.)

I don't want to see that kind of debacle happen again with a divided Dem party. No matter how much I loved Dean, and what he stood for, he has told us himself that he has dropped out. It is, indeed, very sadly, over.

I'll put it this way, I dated Dean, am looking at a shotgun wedding with Kerry, and Edwards has been sending me flowers. But guess who I think about at night when I'm all alone. But a girl's gotta move on...

Anyhow, glad to meet you!

:toast:

just to channel it in a way that meets the mission of DU. Which is to promote Democratic values, and to generate meaningful discussion which supports the election of Democrats to public office.

And I think the technical point is a good one, that in fact Nader is not running for the Democratic primary nomination. But if the proposal isn't accepted, one thing to do is put those Nader/third party folks who start many threads on the subject on ignore.

I've never put a thread or any poster on "ignore".

I also don't believe in "anonymous" posting, that's why I use my first two initials and my last name.

I understand that others have good reason, though, to post anonymously.

Here's hoping the mods come up with a good solution. They always have, in my experience. Just need to give it time.

I think I have 20+ of them now

and it's a whole lot more than 20, lol