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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:28 PM
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Biden, Clinton and Obama could have focused the attention of the nation
on the FISA bill, retroactive immunity for telecoms, spying on Americans before 9/11, and other bushco crimes, if they had chosen to do so.

Because they are all presidential candidates, they had an unparalleled opportunity to really put this issue under the spotlight. They have pretty damned big megaphones at the moment, and they could potentially have made a real difference by informing people just how culpable the administration is.

They didn't think it was worth stopping campaigning to do it.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:29 PM
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1. Proving that none of them are what America needs now. Next?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:29 PM
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2. very sad.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:30 PM
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3. doesn't affect my vote. nt.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:31 PM
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4. You don't THINK it affects your vote, but it's going to make your vote more lonely!
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 04:32 PM by Tejanocrat
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:32 PM
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5. lmao. nt.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:37 PM
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26. Well you're a hillbot.. Issues clearly dont figure into your vote....
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:33 PM
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6. too cowardly imo
of being labeled as 'soft on terror' and saw the prospect of campaign ads that say 'so-and-so voted to weaken our nations security'...
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:33 PM
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7. So you will be voting republican?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:40 PM
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13. Yeah, that's what I was saying. The OP is all about how I'm
planning to vote repuke. *sigh*
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:33 PM
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8. Very well said
I agree.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:36 PM
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9. It takes 60 votes to break a fillibuster.
Unless their vote was to break a fillibuster, then they weren't needed.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:38 PM
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11. Did you read the OP??
This was about a missed opportunity to put this issue right in front of America's face and to highlight bushco crimes. It's not merely about the votes.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:48 PM
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15. Spot on and they did zip, that says something about character. IMHO
Peace!
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:48 PM
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16. The other issue is they specifically told Senator Dodd they would be there...
to support him...
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:50 PM
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17. Wow.. their voices aren't needed. Nice. Sheesh.
I think that's exactly the attitude that got us into this SPINELESS DEMOCRATIC mess.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:09 PM
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20. They all know the math coming into every vote.
Name a time in the past 10 years, where debate on the floor has changed the outcome of a Senate vote. It's all kabuki. It sucks, but I'm not going to pretend it surprises me.

Until we get the White House back, this is the disappointing crap we'll have to put up with, but there's no reason to believe that their presence would have changed a thing.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:14 PM
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21. I'm afraid you have over simplified the situation... They specifically told...
Senator Dodd that they would be there to support him, and didn't bother to show up... Why would anyone trust them to lead the country with that attitude?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:39 PM
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29. I'm not going to parse the meaning of "support", but
no-vote is the same as voting no on cloiture.

I would like to have seen them there, but it would not have changed the outcome.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:37 PM
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10. disappointed in Biden -- otherwise unsurprised.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:39 PM
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12. I'm extremely pissed off at all three of these Senators... They specifically...
told Dodd that they would be there to support his filibuster and were no-shows... That to me is enough to change the way I was planning to vote.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:40 PM
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14. You're absolutely right.
No defense for Obama from me.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:59 PM
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18. What about Edwards?
Why are you letting him off the hook?
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:09 PM
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19. What are you talking about? Edwards is not an active Senator! n/t
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:15 PM
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22. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make the post sound harsh (although I guess it came out..
that way) just in a foul mood about these Senators not bothering to show up...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:24 PM
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23. That wouldn't guarantee media coverage
Any one of these candidates can make this a huge issue today, except Kucinich. I don't think any of them should be let off the hook, and Reid should have to explain himself.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:37 PM
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27. Good point.. instead, we're seeing Hardball and CNN coverage
of who's saying what about who today and poll numbers. Unfreakin believable. And Dodd is standing up on the floor of the Senate pouring his heart out. Excuse me while I go cry for a bit.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:38 PM
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28. What can he do?
Aside from saying he's against retroactive immunity, he has no ability to take to the Senate floor in the kind of concerted effort I'm talking about. It's funny that anyone would accuse me of giving Edwards a pass.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:44 PM
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33. Hold a special press conference
Challenge Hillary directly. Put up a radio ad.

I don't think taking the Senate floor has any special power anymore. There would have to be a coordinated party effort on this. I want to know why there isn't, or who Reid is appeasing.

I'm not saying you're giving Edwards a pass for any partisan purpose. I think you're giving individual senators more power than any one of them really has.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:48 PM
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34. I don't think it would be UNfair for Edwards to point out that
NONE of the Presidential Candidates are there except for Dodd.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:55 PM
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35. I wish he would n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:34 PM
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24. Which of those three have private jets and money to spare for traveling back and forth?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:39 PM
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30. oh, for the love of reason. All three of them have travel budgets
and even if they didn't they have plenty of money to buy a friggin' plane ticket. Are you suggesting that they can only travel by private jet???
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:40 PM
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31. You can't be serious. That's an excuse? Well, HRC has a private helicopter
and certainly can afford a plane ticket. Oprah could afford to fly Barack back. Biden, not so much, but I'm fairly certain he too can afford a plane ticket. No excuse. No pass on this one for any of them
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:37 PM
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25. Fucking Corporate Weenies!
My opinion of them at this moment is not pleasant.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:41 PM
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32. I personally offer to BUY A PLANE TICKET back to D.C. for any of our Sitting Senators
- currently campaigning for President in Iowa - to return to support our civil rights on the floor of the Senate. I'll even go first class. I'm series ! :-)
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Caseman Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:57 PM
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36. My excuse for Biden is...
...he is not a millionaire like the other candidates. He's just getting by with the endorsements and website money. He can't afford big time television ads and has to make up votes by traveling every day. Even though, he should have done his job, you can't compare his situation to Hilary and Obama. I'm sorry if this affects people's votes because you can't generalize all three candidates into a group. Different situations.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 07:04 PM
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37. Errrr... sorry, that doesn't really wash :-) No excuse for
leaving Chris Dodd to filibuster... alone... maybe he'll show up. I hope so.
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Caseman Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:57 AM
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38. But I need an excuse...
...I NEED ONE!!! :( I hope he shows up in Washington for at least a photo op just to prove he was going to show.
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