Hillary loses one black voter

I won't be commenting too much on this because I'm not black. But I would think this person speaks for a lot of minorities, it rings true to me. Those of you posting this garbage ought to read this, and think twice.


Hillary Clinton can kiss my Black vote goodbye

Hillary Clinton is doing a WILLIE HORTON LITE on Barak Obama. Let’s call it what is. The poster who called it RACISM named the pink elephant in the room. If the bigot pandering crap coming from Hillary Clinton's campaign came from a Republican candidate I am sure the racism of these smears would not even be up for discussion.

As an African American who also had a Muslim grandfather I have been made to pay the bill to many times for politicians that play the bigot card, who then latter, after it is all over want to shake hands like ladies and gentlemen as if this was all within the normal bounds of politics –"nothing personal". Every time Hillary and her scumbag surrogates trot out Obama’s teenage drugs use, make the ludicrous implications that he was a drug dealer or emphasizes his Muslim middle name they make it just a little bit more acceptable to tell Black jokes, to pick on the Muslim child in school, to not hire the qualified candidate because they have a Black or Muslim sounding name, to make it just a little more plausible that the people standing on the roof tops during Katrina really are murderers and thieves who don’t deserve our help. If you think this is hyperbole well I have seen each of these very things happen as a result of racist stereo types perpetuated through the media...

I am a lifelong Democrat and my commitment to the Democratic Party is based on, among other things, that exploiting racist fears and Islamophobia stoking is not a legitimate strategy for attacking your opponent. These are things as Democrats we are against and distinguish us from Republicans. I realize that sometimes all candidates have to get down in the mud but pandering to racist fears is not what Democrats do. I did not become a registered Democrat 20 years ago so one Democratic candidate can "test" another candidate by exploiting racist stereotypes that causes real world damage on the lives of all African-Americans."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/17/16371/069/169/420879

your words about bigotry ring hollow.

Very hollow.

this is from an African American.

she has zero credibility, as do many Obama partisans, when it comes to crying about bigotry.

Obama's supporters look extremely hypocritical when they start complaining about bigotry at this stage of the game. The OP was a vehement defender of Obama, as were you, when some of us pointed out the problem with McClurkin. You both told us to go jump in a lake. So don't come crying to us about bigotry now.

in the lake..I stayed out of that. I didn't agree with Obama at all.

I admire Obama in many ways, but he made a big mistake with the McClurkin thing.

I'm glad you responded..I've been lookin for it. :hug:

Hugs back at you! Thank you for being so nice! :hug:

:pals:

:thumbsup:

NO, I said that when you want to jump on Hillary about the bigots that are actually IN her campaign, then I'll believe one event of Donnie McClurkin is important.

This is really just a continuation of Hillary's bigotry, if you start with the co-chairs and Darrell Jackson who voted to put bigotry against gays in the SC Constitution.

How does one candidate's behavior give another a pass on their bad behavior?

I thought that being a Dem meant that exploitation of homophobia was not a legitimate strategy for obtaining votes and campaign cash. But I was wrong. And many Obama supporters stood behind him when he did it, so he's no better than Hillary and neither are they.

Hillary hiring Mark Penn, a consultant to union busters, as being anti-union. What the Hillary campaign did with the drug dealer/madrassa nonsense was to aim the ammunition at THE CANDIDATE HIMSELF and raise the stakes on nastiness. Really remarkable, and it has been noticed, with a lot of anger on black talk radio. It also can be said that if you read the whole diary, the person writing it is torn between Edwards and Obama, so to a certain degree, none of this has anything to do with Obama and everything to do with the Hillary campaign.

That's what it was, calling it a war against gay people, saying we need to keep them from our childnre.

How much mroe hateful does language have to get for you people????

to have McLurkin appear in his campaign.

What I will say is the idea that the Clintons are any better is laughable. The Clintons are no friends to gays; they use them, and then first chance the going gets tough, throw them under the bus. We know this from HISTORY and from REAL ACTIONS. Here is how candidates should be judged:

1. Their actions and votes
2. Their campaign platform and rhetoric
3. Their character and bio

In that order. Clintons screwed over gays in category #1; Obama disappointed in #2. #1 still trumps #2.

It's not easy to find a candidate who doesn't throw us under the bus. I haven't defended the Clintons in this respect. I was disappointed in the vehement defense of Obama over the McClurkin episode. Now one DUer who was most vehement is back accusing Clinton's team of bigotry.

If it weren't so sad it would be laughable. Why don't we hold ALL the candidates to higher standards?

think it was a particularly brilliant move by Obama. I agree that it is tough for gays, when you get jerked around by everyone. I still think that Obama would be better on gay issues, because I haven't heard of any slimy actions in his public record -- you know, saying one thing, and then crafting legislation or voting another way. That is more important, IMO. But that does not exonerate him from picking someone so homophobic to head that gospel tour; he should have chosen someone else. As I am sure you know, you will find no candidate (viable ones, anyway) who is particularly perfect on gay issues, even in the Democratic Party, so you'll just have to weigh all the different factors, including past voting history.

So why don't we all agree that both Obama and Clinton have been wrong toward gays?

This is very true. In fact, all three "front-runners" have not evolved on this issue. I guess that we just have to ask our selves how much homophobia is acceptable in our personal favorite candidate. Maybe none, maybe more than none.

particularly if it's utilizing pure lies, the reality is that candidates have to realize that they're open to the practice and deal with it as it comes up. But attacking American citizens, whether directly or indirectly, is a deplorable campaign tactic that should be beneath any reputable candidate.

if i were a candidate and felt she had willi hortoned me i'da been on the phone with her ass, or called a meeting with her. So either oBama is a total f'g wimp or it's just not all that.

Obama is too classy to make a big public deal about it.

have you ever had to confront someone if you have an issue? it doesn't have to be a big brawl, it doesn't have to be in public. they have each others cell phone numbers. he's a big boy. you want this guy to lead a nation and you are suggesting the big bad hillary clintons are spreading racist smears and he is so classy he can't talk to her? oh stop. please.

I have no idea what he said to her, but the racist drug attacks stopped. Sadly, the madrassa smears picked back up.

This is who they are. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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his question.

so you're saying that after he told it not to let it happen again it did? then he should call a meeting with her ass and make sure it doesn't happen again. I mean, if hRC is part of a kerrey/muslim smear, then clearly he needs to deal with it. I don't think there IS one, but that's just my opinion. But you guys are saying that is it part of an active racist smear, do you realy believe he would just turn the other cheek? while you guys are sitting here offended? i wouldn't let another candidate do that to me. and i would hope neither would you. so either it isn't what you're hoping, or Obama needs to deal with it instead of leaving all his supporters to feel slimed.

your head in the sand or what?

can pick it up in 30 seconds on cnn, that people are saying they're so up in arms they're abondoning the ticky if she gets picked, oh please. if it were so uproarious they woulda had a little meeting.

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olds who are capable of cognitive thinking ... But, I think you've got something with that "obtuse". Oy.

simmer down one little miss hrc? c'mon

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Hillary is letting her operatives push out these stories and won't put her foot down to stop it.

Obama courts homophobic people so he can get in with the religious zeolots.

I am Black and I am not happy with either one of them.

And I am working for you, MadMaddie.

As a matter of fact, I am sending you some wonderful coffee tomorrow.

Tomales Coast Roast Organic Mocha Java.

As Democrats, we need to insist that our candidates behave better than this. This kind of nastiness should be beneath all Democrats.

Seems like Karl Rove has had an insidious influence even on Democrats. Sad.

I agree the nastiness is not acceptable.

Inspiring.

K&R

Explain how she will without the African American vote, without the union vote, and without the anti-war vote. Already 47% of the public won't vote for her under any circumstances. How the hell is she going to win now that she's pissed off the entire Democratic base? Good luck with that.

are in in to lose? Silly.

is that Iowans aren't that dumb. Years of political saturation bombing before the caucuses have made them very savvy. This isn't the GE either, these are dems these candidates are talking to.

All the Hillary camp managed to do here was provide a boost for Edwards coming from people who are tired of attacks between dems, and she boosted Obama by giving him more airtime. If she wants to win she needs to drop the nastiness and start explaining to people that although she takes gobs of corporate cash shes going to stab the ceo's in the back and run roughshod over them after she wins. Speeches about "helping people", "educating our kids", "restoring hope", ya know, all the usual BS that every politician says: these things aren't going to be enough for her in Iowa.

If she wants to shrink her huge negative ratings she needs to be more specific about just how far she is going to shove her foot up the collective corporate ass of America. Until that day, which I doubt will ever come, it will be more a struggle for her than she would have otherwise faced.

<--------Obama lost a jewish transexual earlier in the year.

I dunno.

Tell me.

Who are Hillary's SC co-chairs?

I'm a jewish transexual from NYC.

Most of America hates me.

When Hillary invites them up on stage to spew their venom ala Donnie McClurkin -- THEN I'll worry.

Funny you don't know about them.

if she invited them on stage with her and let them rant homophobic venom like Obama did.

And Clinton has most certainly been on stage with her bigots, on a regular basis. She just keeps her bigots under wraps, until she needs to throw somebody under the bus.

You damned well know the difference.

McClurkin, Jackson, Short, Matthews, Eddie Long, the whole lot of them. Obama had one guy at one event. Hillary has them heading her campaign. She's paying Jackson $10,000 a month for "advise". The only ones playing politics with this are the ones who keep bringing up McClurkin while refusing to acknowledge Hillary's record, which is actually becoming a rash of bigotry popping out everywhere.

sorry you can't see it.

But then if Hillary does something it's wrong no matter what --right?

Do you really need to be hit over the head with a hammer? That IS their platform. Their very presence. Nobody has required Hillary to distance herself from those bigoted votes either. And now people who were outraged over ONE musical performance, completely deny Hlllary's racist campaign against Obama. I would say I'm surprised but I stopped being shocked at the hypocrisy at DU a very long time ago.

Were it not for your post right now, I, who battle homophobia every single fucking day for almost 5 decades now, would never have realized how rampant it is everywhere.

Thank you so much for telling me that a couple of campaign heads in SC is equivalent to handing a microphone to the poster boy for the "ex-gay" movement in an effort to attract even more homophobes to one's side.

Thank you for warning me of the danger of how many homophobes are out there in the world, even in the Democratic Party.

Christ almighty -- I'm a transexual --I get thrown under the bus by Barney fucking Frank!

How ya like them apples?

Sorry you can't see it. And btw, sorry you can't see Hillary is no diva either.

Obama is the Diva in this campaign.

Anyone with any sense would have quit arguing right there!

Reaching up from North Carolina with a pagan late-in-life lesbian hug for you - from one of Pat Robertson's worst nightmares to another! Love you, darling.

:hug:

I appreciate you for being "real." :pals: You tell it like it is and I think it's great.

:)

The Obama supporters have been soooooooooooooooooo defensive since the D.M. Register endorsement didn't go for them, his poll numbers flat-lined and a few people have stated the not so well known "facts" about Obama. They can't stand the truth.



The press made Obama - they can take him down.

..... but Hillary's campaign is really playing with fire on this one. The "drug dealer" innuendo is really going to play badly with black voters, and will really hurt the Clinton brand name among African Americans. She really better put the kibosh on these tactics quickly or she's going to get caught in major shitstorm.

Many African Americans are already upset about that innuendo. I'm surprised Bill hasn't shown more wisdom with this.

They should focus more on Edwards.

Obama? or is he still planning on voting for her? :rofl:

It's

B - A - R - A - C - K.....

How committed can anyone be to a candidate if one cannot even spell their fucking name? And the necessity to provide all those sloppy, broad brush "UPDATES" at the end of the piece suggests that this is just yet another (zzzzz ....zzzzzz..... zzzzzzz.... zzzzz) Clinton Hit Piece.

The poster might not be an Obama supporter, or even black. Or even a Democrat.

It's crafted in a fishy way, IMO. Too much of the "tick off the aggrieved instances" and way too much drama, broad-brushing and extrapolations. This work is 'designed' to incite.

Why not just disagree strongly with Clinton's surrogates' tactics without pretending to do it from the standpoint of a "Barak" Obama supporter? I mean, really....and to suggest that black voters are all going to 'turn on Clinton' because suddenly she's some huge racist, well, that's a bit of pandering to black people, right there, and it is a commpletely innacurate representation of Senator Obama's constituency AND his candidacy.

Best part of the entire mess? The COMMENTS by the OTHER posters, IMO.

For those who are obtuse and who do not read for comprehension: I am not suggesting that the issues surrounding these remarks by Clinton surrogates not be discussed. What I am saying is that it is cheesy to do it while pretending to be a "Barak" supporter (and having no trouble with spelling otherwise). Something stinks about this piece--I question the origin of it, is all. It feels like a "Two birds with one stone" effort, aimed at Clinton, and hitting Obama as well.

The same level of b.s..

:puke:

Defending that muslim drug-dealing sleeper agent who hates the USA.

:thumbsup:

Don't dismiss people who are genuinely offended by this stuff.

Don't bring up any offensive bullshit. Especially false claims.

If republicans pulled the same shit Clinton is pulling, there would be no controversy about how offensive it is.

You do agree?

Now blacks can't bring it up?

Interesting.

There have been numerous posts about Oprah supporting Obama just because he's black; people saw no issue with Rush Limbaugh's Barack The Magic Negro song; One poster proclaimed that the black race is ashamed of him. These are just a few.

been posted within threads, but I would have noticed any threads that were authored with that intent.

"wow". :eyes:

The "thread" in which were are presently engaged in deals with the Hillary camp allegedly using racial sterotypes to attack Obama.

You asked for a sample. And YOU claimed there were zero. Those aren't the only two threads but I will not search this entire board for them.

No, the post in which we are presently engaged in deals my assertion that there were racial threads posted about Obama on this board.

BTW, the thread "topic" deals with attack by racial sterotype.

Your posts have focused on a side "issue" which you somehow believe is relevant.

We all know what the thread/topic/post deals with and what we each posted. If you want to make a tit for tat post this can go on ad nauseaum.

The fact that you are hesistant to acknowledge any relevancy is evidence that you don't and probably can't understand.

you stop the unsubstantiated claims.

And only then.

Try that with someone else.

:eyes:

cool with me. It's in your hands.

your "word" is all that you're able to bring to the discussion.

:hi: have a nice day.

You must be reading a different DU. Since when does anybody here other than a few trolls support anything Rush does or say?

I am saying that there were some who had no problem with it.

I guarantee that the vast majority of us loathe race-baiting. I know it is frustrating to see the bad ones get a pass, sometimes. Please hit alert to notify the mods if you see a racist post.

Thanks

Please do hit alert. The mods will delete things if they know about them.

That shit smells like it came out of a Rove factory.

Anyone actually supporting Barack Obama would be able to SPELL HIS NAME correctly, I would think.

That whole rant stinks like a three day old fish. It's aimed at Hillary Clinton, but it's designed to take them BOTH out.

wet dream.:think:

puking their guts out they don't know what's goin' on.

About what?

I feel fine, thank you very much. You must have mistaken me for an Obama supporter.

after losing this one vote.