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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:45 PM
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Bob Kerrey said Iraq is "central to the fight against Islamic radicalism."
I did not like the way he tried to hurt Obama's campaign by using the word Muslim in the way he did. We can pretend he meant nothing at all, or we can recognize it for the veiled attack it was probably meant to be.

So let's look back at May of this year when Bob Kerrey finally got sick and tired of those of us on the left who have opposed this war. He composed an op ed for the Wall Street Journal to put us in our place, and to let us know that he did after all believe that Iraq was "rightly seen as a threat following 9/11."

Fair is fair, right? Right.

I think any Democrat who still in the year 2007 thinks Iraq was more dangerous because of 9/11 needs some scrutiny.

The Left's Iraq Muddle

See, even the title of his op ed is offensive to those of us on the left who opposed the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq.

At this year's graduation celebration at The New School in New York, Iranian lawyer, human-rights activist and Nobel laureate Shirin Ebadi delivered our commencement address. This brave woman, who has been imprisoned for her criticism of the Iranian government, had many good and wise things to say to our graduates, which earned their applause.

But one applause line troubled me. Ms. Ebadi said: "Democracy cannot be imposed with military force."

What troubled me about this statement--a commonly heard criticism of U.S. involvement in Iraq--is that those who say such things seem to forget the good U.S. arms have done in imposing democracy on countries like Japan and Germany, or Bosnia more recently


Did you get that? He thinks we should be using our country's arms to impose Democracy. He is proud of it.

Let me restate the case for this Iraq war from the U.S. point of view. The U.S. led an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein because Iraq was rightly seen as a threat following Sept. 11, 2001. For two decades we had suffered attacks by radical Islamic groups but were lulled into a false sense of complacency because all previous attacks were "over there." It was our nation and our people who had been identified by Osama bin Laden as the "head of the snake." But suddenly Middle Eastern radicals had demonstrated extraordinary capacity to reach our shores.


He really has a fear of "radical islam", which makes me even more sure of his intentions in using the word so much in connection with Obama.

This is a long column, and you really should read all of it. It continues along the line of this next paragraph, which I find appalling.

No matter how incompetent the Bush administration and no matter how poorly they chose their words to describe themselves and their political opponents, Iraq was a larger national security risk after Sept. 11 than it was before. And no matter how much we might want to turn the clock back and either avoid the invasion itself or the blunders that followed, we cannot. The war to overthrow Saddam Hussein is over. What remains is a war to overthrow the government of Iraq


He just keeps repeating that Iraq was a bigger danger after 9/11. That is so misleading. He is trying to justify our invasion of a country that was not an immediate threat by connecting it to 9/11.

This one paragraph from his endorsement of Hillary is bothersome.

Referring to Obama, from the WP:

Kerrey continued, "It's probably not something that appeals to him, but I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim. There's a billion people on the planet that are Muslims and I think that experience is a big deal." He added, "He's got a whale of a lot more intellectual talent than I've got as well."

Kerrey goes for Clinton


At least Barack Hussein Obama doesn't think Iraq had anything to do with 9/11.



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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:50 PM
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1. looks like Kerrey is set to sail on the Lieberman ship
Heading straight into the iceberg at full speed.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:54 PM
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2. Kerrey is a Neo-Con. nm
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:55 PM
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3. Too bad bob kerrey is so
fulla shite..it doesn't surprise me that the clintons would engage him for whatever.

There's those in the US who are intent on bullshitting the people and there are those who are trying to deal in facts. bob kerrey for some reason is the former.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:12 PM
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4. Is this the notorious Kerrey of Thanh Phong fame?
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:17 PM
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5. "Bronze Star for killing elderly man and woman and three children under 12"
WTF.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:19 PM
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6. Same dude, then? n/t
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:20 PM
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7. Yep
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:26 PM
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8. He's really useless. I have no idea why he's at the New School.
That's a very left student body. I bet they're not thrilled with him.

I can't see him ever playing a role in anything other than as a gadfly.

He should know that you can't win a war an an occupier, no matter how powerful you are.

K*R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:05 AM
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9. Bill Moyers slaps Bob Kerrey....beautiful indeed.
Moyers and Bob Kerrey on PBS....Kerrey still spinning and twisting.

BILL MOYERS: They didn't quote that piece in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL and the blogs all weekend because you're the President of the New School.

BOB KERREY: No, I understand.

BILL MOYERS: They quoted you because you were a Democrat--

BOB KERREY: No, I understand.

BILL MOYERS: --identifying with the President's policy.


And Moyers was just getting started.

BILL MOYERS: I know you don't write headlines of the essays you do in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. The headline on the one the other day said, "The Left Iraq Muddle". Now, it's well and good to call the liberal left a muddle, as THE WALL STREET JOURNAL and Rush Limbaugh do. But in all seriousness, it's not the liberal left that created the quagmire in Iraq or the disaster that seems to have no end, right?


Well done, Mr. Moyers.



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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:28 AM
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10. Wow, I didn't know we just declared war on all Islam.
I thought it was only the fanatical Al Qeada, but now it's all muslims that are terrorists? No wonder why I dislike repukes (AND DINOS TOO) so much.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:31 AM
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11. Islamic radicalism? But that's what Bush wants to fight
Why should I bother to show up at the polls for a Bush Lite? I'm tired of fighting for oil.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:32 AM
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12. I can't wait for the primaries to be over.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:02 AM
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18. You and me both, damnation :-)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:44 PM
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13. Moyers to Kerrey: "it's not the liberal left that created the quagmire in Iraq "
"BILL MOYERS: I know you don't write headlines of the essays you do in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. The headline on the one the other day said, "The Left Iraq Muddle". Now, it's well and good to call the liberal left a muddle, as THE WALL STREET JOURNAL and Rush Limbaugh do. But in all seriousness, it's not the liberal left that created the quagmire in Iraq or the disaster that seems to have no end, right?"

It was not the "left" who were wrong about Iraq..
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:17 PM
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14. Bob Kerry
He's not too popular at the New school, even. About two years ago I saw Joe Biden give a lecture there, with John Mccain to follow a few days later. A real dust-up was going on, with the students not wanting McCain to speak At their commencement. Also there was some anti-war sentiment expressed by the valedictorian. So yes, The New School is kind of a liberal place, and Bob Kerry is only two cockroaches better then Lieberman.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:19 PM
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15. Too true, spag!
"Two cockroaches better than lieberman". Unreal, huh?
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:58 PM
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16. Actually, I agree with him.
Iraq is "central to the fight against Islamic radicalism."

Not because Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, but because WE have made such a mess of that country (as per bin Laden's plan) that it has become a rallying point for recruitment into the radical cause.

Sort of an unintended consequence of "removing that bad man" Saddam.

Probably not what Kerrey has in mind though...
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:57 AM
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17. Hey, Bob...


Just a reminder that you don't have to act as if it's an election year or anything. Have a nice day.
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