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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:46 PM
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The Clintons, Mark Penn, Lobbyists, and Conflicting Interests.....some disturbing stuff
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 02:50 PM by TeamJordan23
The Clintons, The High Priest and Conflicting Interests

While he was in China in the past summer to meet with potential clients, he allegedly met with individuals from the Turkish government. The meeting was about an upcoming bill in the U.S. House that would have called on President Bush to declare that the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians by Ottoman Turks after World War I constituted genocide. The Turkish government was adamantly against the bill and had already hired multiple American lobbying groups to lobby the Congress against the bill. Following the meeting, he called his firm back in Washington DC to asked them to begin writing a preliminary proposal to pitch an offer to the Turkish government to lobby the Congress to kill the genocide bill. The name of his company was Burson-Marsteller - the 5th largest PR and lobbying firm on earth - and he was its worldwide president and CEO. His name is Mark Penn, and he is now serving as Hillary Clinton's top political strategist.

Senator Clinton is the only top tier candidate on the democratic side who openly receives money from lobbyists for her campaign. While many seem outraged about this fact, most people are not aware of the extent of influence and history of relationships and dealings between the Clintons and lobbyists, and the inevitability of their continued influence in policymaking should Hillary become president.

But Penn's involvement in Hillary's campaign is inconsistent with the party's stated mission. He has been intimately involved in running or lobbying for big corporations on issues that are directly contrary to the interest of consumers and average Americans throughout his life. Before he came to the White House in the 90s, he worked for Texaco - a major oil company - and Eli Lilly, which is a major pharmaceutical firm


Throughout the past seven years, Mark Penn has continued to keep one foot in his corporate lobbying firm and another foot in Hillary Clinton's campaigns. Under his leadership, Burson-Marsteller has followed the same corporate mentality of not including the public's wellbeing as a factor in deciding what projects to undertake. B-M boasts in its website that the company recognizes its "obligations to all who have a stake in our success, including shareowners, clients, employees, and suppliers."


In a recent interview with Charlie Rose, President Clinton agreed that voting for Obama - who doesn't get money from lobbyists and whose campaign lobbyists are not running - would be like "rolling the dice." But Mark Penn's life-long commitment to special interests, his intimate involvement with the Hillary Clinton campaign and the influence he will have to push his corporate agenda from within a Clinton White House should be yet another factor to lead any sensible voter to realize that supporting Hillary would be equivalent to raising the bet in the middle of the game knowing you are holding the losing set of cards.


Read full article at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-sedaei/the-clintons-the-high-pr_b_77298.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:49 PM
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1. Mark Penn = Burson-Marsteller

THE HEAD OF THE COMPANY THAT DEFENDED UNOIN CARBIDE


AND BLACKWATER

AND EXXON VALDIS

AND CHALABI

AND ARGENTINA FASCIST JUNTA

AND THE INDONESIAN GOVERNMENT

AND THE EL SALVADORIAN GOVERNMENT

AND THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT

AND SAUDI ARABIA ON SEPTEMBER 14 2001

AND THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT TO PROMOTE NAFTA

AND ROMANIAN DICTATOR NICOLAE CEAUCESCU

AND SOUTH KOREA South Korea (to avoid discussion of human rights issues during the 1988 Olympics)

AND THE UNITA - The US sponsored Angolan guerrilla army

AND BABCOCK AND WILCOX (for Three Mile Island nuclear accident)






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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:49 PM
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2. It's this way with ALL pollsters, etc. In my office we had to hide lots of stuff...
when some political clients came to call. Not unusual.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:55 PM
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3. Yep, Hillary is TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT with the lobbyists.
And aren't they largely responsible for the pathetic government we have in place right now?

Why would we want to continue this? Or worse yet, expand it?

I want corporations, and THEIR LOBBYISTS OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT!

And that won't happen with Hillary in office.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 10:20 PM
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21. Edwards and Obama are wearing Hillary out
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:55 PM
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4. Sorry, everyday Joe doesn't care about this stuff, but do keep trying
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:57 PM
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5. Sad that you don't either.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 09:22 PM
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20. yeah, it is sad. nm
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:00 PM
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6. That's ridiculous - if "everyday Joe" knew, he'd care. nt
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:38 PM
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10. No he wouldn't. People don't give a rat's ass about who is running a campaign
Call 1000 people. You would be lucky if 5 knew any of the names

It's only the silly hystericals here that get their panties all wet, in a wad
and stuck up their asses over this stuff.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:50 PM
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16. Of course most people don't know the names...
That's why I said Joe would care IF he knew. Most people don't have the time or inclination to look up this stuff ~ but they care once they find out.

Hillary's "lobbyists are people too" mentality is horrible for democracy ~ too bad you don't get it.



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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:56 PM
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17. You certainly reflect your candidates contempt for the "ordinary Joe"
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 03:57 PM by saracat
but hey , as you said to another poster "she doesn't want their votes anyway." It is very sad that some can't even recognize lobbyists for the danger they are.And you are surly the most vulgar of any of the posters om DU. Hillary must be proud!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:02 PM
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18. Well I find all the vile bile spewed at Senator Clinton by
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 04:22 PM by durrrty libby
the nasty slugs, beyond "vulgar" So.......:nopity:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:53 AM
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23. Obamamites can be a whiney bunch after someone produces facts that
lets the air out of their propaganda balloons.

Try to be more sensitive. (wink, wink);-)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:02 PM
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19. Well said!
Some Hillary posters do her no favors.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:28 PM
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8. Sad that...
...everyday Joe is a fricking moron who is too enticed with
his shiny trinkets from Walmart, to notice that his government
is bought and paid for by lobbyists and corporations!

The only way Hillary can win is if everyday Joe continues to
be the oblivious fuckball that he is.

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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:38 PM
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11. You summed it up
Truly sad
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:38 PM
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12. You summed it up
Truly sad
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:42 PM
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13. Seems to sum up some of her supporters well.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:46 PM
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14. Everyday Joe has been made cynical by half-assed politicians
I think many of the average people do care -- but they've seen so many sell-outs and compromises by the Beltway Elite that they've rolled up their arms and said "What the hell....They're all crooks."

It would sure be refreshing to see a candidate actually have the creds to make the public feel that there are politicians and a political party that is actually on their side.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:47 PM
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15. Everyday Joe doesn't KNOW about this stuff
Because the corporate whore media won't tell him. But if he did, he would be pissed off, and certainly would never vote for those who are part of the problem.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:00 PM
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7. Mark Penn made an ass out of himself on Hardball.
It is clear that campaign intends to bulldoze and win by any means necessary. Now is the time for Democrats to assert themselves and not be steam-rolled by the dynastic/corporate powers-that-be.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:39 AM
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22. He made an ass out of himself in Italy. K*R

He was polling for Berlusconi, a noted creep and right wing corpratist. On election day, his exit poll was the only one that showed Berlusconi winning. How convenient! Berlusconi then tried to challenge the election but got no where since there were several other polls that showed just the opposite.

Question: "Mrs. Clinton, why do you have a chief pollster who tried to facilitate the return to power of a right wing fascist in Italy just over a year ago?"

This guy gives "hired guns" a bad name.



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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:30 PM
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9. Excellent post, K&R, and bookmarked for safekeeping !
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:54 AM
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24. but, but, but....nobody seriously believes she will be influenced by a lobbyist
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/06/lobbyists.democrats/index.html


"I don't think, based on my 35 years fighting for what I believe in, anybody seriously believes I'm going to be influenced by a lobbyist or a particular interest group," Clinton said.

"A lot of these lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans. They actually do. They represent nurses, they represent social workers -- yes, they represent corporations that employ a lot of people."


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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:56 AM
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25. Thank G-d!
At long last we'll have someone to represent Monsanto in the White House! /snark
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