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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:13 PM
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GOP voters most frightened by Hillary Presidency, Dem voters most excited by Hillary Presidency
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:35 PM
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1. 33% of voters afraid of a Clinton presidency...
And only 13% afraid of Huckabee? Thats seriously fucked up.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:37 PM
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2. I'm excited about Hillary moving America forward. k and r
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:38 PM
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3. 2008 will be a battle for the ages no matter
who the nominees are.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:44 PM
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4. Thanks for proving the point that many of us have been making that Hillary would unify the Repub.
voters into voting AGAINST her regardless of who their nominee is. If this had been a poll of who the RNC was afraid of, meaning they don't want to run against her because they think she'd win, your point would be made.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:50 PM
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5. Except it doesn't prove that. Polling does not prove a future event.
Here are Gallup's conclusions

"Taking the results of trial-heat general election questions at face value, Clinton looks as electable as anyone running for president today, if not more so. She appeared particularly strong vis-à-vis the Republicans in November, beating Giuliani and other Republican candidates by significant margins. In more recent polling, she does no worse than tie Giuliani. Additional assurances about her electability can be found in Gallup data showing that while Republicans may be more motivated to get out and vote on Election Day with Clinton -- rather than Obama -- on the ticket, Democrats are as well, thus nullifying any likely effect on the outcome.

Still, the 62% of Republicans who are fearful of a Clinton presidency is a startling figure. Without an equal proportion of Democrats counterbalancing that somehow, there is at least the potential for a substantial Republican effort in the general election to keep Clinton out of office, whether that means unprecedented levels of donations, volunteer work, or turnout on Election Day."

Notice the word potential vs the certainty reflected in your statement.




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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:05 PM
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9. Well, what would you post this for if you're now claiming polling doesn't prove a future event?
From your article: "Still, the 62% of Republicans who are fearful of a Clinton presidency is a startling figure. Without an equal proportion of Democrats counterbalancing that somehow, there is at least the potential for a substantial Republican effort in the general election to keep Clinton out of office, whether that means unprecedented levels of donations, volunteer work, or turnout on Election Day."

Of course the word "potential" is used. And did you see the words "at least"? It's all speculation. And based on the poll numbers in YOUR link, it backs up what I and others have been saying for months.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:26 PM
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14. Why Because people like yourself have been making claims with zero evidence.
"It's all speculation. And based on the poll numbers in YOUR link, it backs up what I and others have been saying for months."

Not really, most of the time your claims are exaggerrated. Record GOP turnout and other such bullshit has been bandied about here for months without a shred of evidence.

Now we have evidence and the evidence says most GOP could give tow shits.

Oh BTW, here's the other component of this poll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3868580&mesg_id=3868580
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:44 PM
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18. There's not "zero evidence" according to your own OP.
I'm referring to the poll in your OP that showed a much greater disdain for Hillary than Obama.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 05:08 PM
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20. It was unfair of me to have use knowledge of the 2nd poll coupled with the 1st.
But now that you have reviewed that data as well, what do you see?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:08 PM
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28. That what I said remains true, and also that
Dems. seem eager to vote for Hillary (which I selectively choose not to believe). :D
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OsamaBinLogin Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:18 PM
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30. purple haze
"She appeared particularly strong vis-à-vis the Republicans in November, beating Giuliani and other Republican candidates by significant margins. "

what kind of questions were these? Were they Hillary vs Rudy, then Hillary vs Mitt, then Hillary vs Huckabee? Or was it, several Dems vs several Reps, and you only get to pick one? In broad choices, Hillary-hate will not have much effect, cuz each Hillary hater just chooses someone other than Hillary, and they all spread out. But pairing up Hillary with individual Republicans would show Hillary-hate, cuz people would be forced to choose between the she-devil and some he-devil on the right.

I think they're fucking with us. Every one of these polls can be tampered with by adjusting the wording. Results change by percentage points due to seemingly trivial differences. Then they only publish the polls that produce the answers they want.


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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:57 PM
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6. "Dem voters most excited by Hillary Presidency"
Not all Dem voters on this board.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:15 PM
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11. I am.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:20 PM
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13. But there are some that are totally opposite. nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:58 PM
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7. K&R!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:03 PM
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8. DU's HillaryHaters are an "opposing party"?
I *knew* it! I *knew* it!
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:09 PM
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10. Not this Dem voter
I'm excited about anyone but Hillary, to be honest.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:28 PM
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15. Me too. The once-inevitable candidate would guarantee another rethung in the WH in 2009...
...not something anyone that loves this country can afford to let happen...
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:18 PM
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12. K&R
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:32 PM
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16. I'm not at all surpised at Hillary's popularity. It's amazing how much excitement she generates
Dam she's pretty
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:35 PM
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17. According to the data, voters are most excited by an Obama presidency
You have a misleading OP.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 05:06 PM
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19. My OP title says Dem voters.
Swing and a miss!

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 05:40 PM
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21. Unfortunately for Hillaryworld poll parsers, the GE includes Republican and independent voters
Both of whom are voter demographic groups who will not support Clinton II presidency.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 05:49 PM
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22. Really? Indies will not support a Clinton presidency?
While I agree Obama has more support among indies, do you have anything to back up that indies will not support Hillary?

I could give two shits about GOPers.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 05:57 PM
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23. Not much... we need swing voters in order to win both the presidency & strong majorities in Congress
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 05:58 PM by ClarkUSA
Every single poll internal that breaks down independent preferences among the top-tier Democrats shows Obama ( and to a lesser extent, Edwards)
having significantly more independent crossover appeal than Hillary. Also, Obama draws crossover votes from disaffected Republicans more than
either Hillary or Edwards.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 06:10 PM
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24. Talk about parsing, 1 percent? lol.
All this poll says is that right now during a primary that statistic is extremely close. Once campaigning in a GE gets under way it would change quite dramatically anyways.
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OsamaBinLogin Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 06:55 PM
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25. tea leaves
Well, I'm "afraid" of a Hillary president, but I'm a registered Dem and I'll vote for her if she's the Dem candidate. I'm afraid she'll be too conservative. I'm afraid she won't try to prosecute Bush admin people when she gets behind the wheel. OK so my "afraid" opinion gets mixed in with hardcore Hillary haters on the right, and someone decides that Hillary shouldn't be the Dem's choices.

Everybody has a vested interest - some want Hillary to be the Dem candidate cuz they think it'll guarantee a Rep victory, some because they think it'll guarantee a Dem victory, and some actually want her to become president. Some want hype to get out all about how people hate Hillary so the Dems will not choose her and will therefore win, others want the Dems to look stupid so the Reps will win. So what are the motivations of these poll takers? And all of the people trying to interpret the poll?

I think these poll questions are designed to be squishy and ambiguous. They don't really get to the question everybody is thinking about. Instead they ask a question that hides what's really going on.

For instance, when they ask if you 'approve' or 'disapprove' of Congress, they're asking for your overall opinion of 550 politicians, some of which you like, some you hate, most you've never heard of. Are they asking you about the Democrats in the House? The Republicans in the Senate? Russ Feingold? The House Judiciary Committee? The recent Farm/mental health/FISA/Katrina/NASA/healthcare bill and how it barely passed/barely got defeated/had more/less support than last time?

Most people can find someone to hate. Typically a human will choose an answer based on whatever's in the news, or in the news that they care about, or one member that's burning in their mind. This is going to change from one person to another and one week to another. But people go around jumping to conclusions that it reinforces their opinion on one specific issue, on both sides.

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:03 PM
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26. Can't prove it, pure speculation but...
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 07:09 PM by Tom Rinaldo
I suspect that there are a number of Republican women who may not feel very comfortable on the phone saying so (specially if you know who is around) who will enter the voting booth and vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee. Might even be payback for having to put up with FOX TV news and sports most nights, if they are not in control of the clicker.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:06 PM
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27. interesting theory
I suspect there is some truth to it.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:09 PM
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29. There was an in depth Pew poll
back in October which confirms your theory. It also showed that Hillary is admired by some repukes for her work ethic.
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